CV and mad panic behaviour

[Macca37]

We keep being told that when 70 percent of the adult population is vaccinated restrictions will ease, the states will begin opening up, and we can all be more positive about the near future.

And yet in Northern Ireland yesterday, with a population of 1.5 million people and 73 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated, there were 1,460 cases of covid and nine deaths recorded.

Also, it was reported that their hospitals are overwhelmed with covid cases and in the last three weeks 176 of their red flag cancer operations have had to be postponed.

It seems that the Federal government is hiding the reality of what lies ahead for us in the months leading up to Christmas and beyond.

[PaulP]

The politicians and the populace need some good news and some hope for the future, which is fair enough. But I don't think the science is on the same page :

https://theconversation.com/opening-up-w...ans-166818

[spf]

We keep being told that when 70 percent of the adult population is vaccinated restrictions will ease, the states will begin opening up, and we can all be more positive about the near future.

And yet in Northern Ireland yesterday, with a population of 1.5 million people and 73 percent of the adult population fully vaccinated, there were 1,460 cases of covid and nine deaths recorded.

Also, it was reported that their hospitals are overwhelmed with covid cases and in the last three weeks 176 of their red flag cancer operations have had to be postponed.

It seems that the Federal government is hiding the reality of what lies ahead for us in the months leading up to Christmas and beyond.

I have my doubts it is exclusively the Federal Government. I think the national cabinet is well aware.

[spf]

I think this is an interesting watch:
https://youtu.be/J5D44HWw68U

Pay particular attention to Prof Bowtells segment.

[Macca37]

I like Bowtell. His opinion is straight to the point and easily understood, unlike so much of the political waffle we have to endure on a daily basis.

I was disturbed to hear on late night news yesterday that bayside suburbs from Elwood to Black Rock had 45 percent of the eligible adult population double vaccinated while suburbs in the north and west currently with the highest covid cases had vaccination rates of the same group at a low 23 percent.

If the current high level of infection is not enough to motivate people in those areas to vaccinate, I don't know what will.

It would seem that the light at the end of the tunnel representing 80 percent double vaccination is diminishing to a pinprick of light.

[ElwoodBlues1]

I like Bowtell. His opinion is straight to the point and easily understood, unlike so much of the political waffle we have to endure on a daily basis.

I was disturbed to hear on late night news yesterday that bayside suburbs from Elwood to Black Rock had 45 percent of the eligible adult population double vaccinated while suburbs in the north and west currently with the highest covid cases had vaccination rates of the same group at a low 23 percent.

If the current high level of infection is not enough to motivate people in those areas to vaccinate, I don't know what will.

It would seem that the light at the end of the tunnel representing 80 percent double vaccination is diminishing to a pinprick of light.

The wealthier suburbs always have a higher takeup, think its the same story in Sydney too with the west lagging the others.
Lack of education, poor English skills etc due to higher migrant population lead to that poorer understanding of how serious things are. They rely a lot on leadership from the different communities to show the way and the Government need to zero in on those leaders and help them spread the word.
The 80% is a bit of furphy given its 80% of the adult population they are talking about...IMHO it will need to be 70-80% of the entire population including eligible children and thats going to be a hard sell getting parents to agree to getting youngsters jabbed.

[capcom]

The government funded SBS?

[Macca37]

The wealthier suburbs always have a higher takeup, think its the same story in Sydney too with the west lagging the others.
Lack of education, poor English skills etc due to higher migrant population lead to that poorer understanding of how serious things are. They rely a lot on leadership from the different communities to show the way and the Government need to zero on on those leaders and help them spread the word.
The 80% is a bit of furphy given its 80% of the adult population they are talking about...IMHO it will need to be 70-80% of the entire population including eligible children and thats going to be a hard sell getting parents to agree to getting youngsters jabbed.

I think during the second or third lockdown it was realised that in just the City of Wyndham residents speak  a combined total of 150 different languages and dialects.  I gained the impression that community leaders were approached then to try to get the importance of testing and vaccination through to their communities.

Compounding the problem is the fact that a minority of residents are not able to read or write in their own language,  ensuring that they will be unaware of how our society operates.

The 80% is a furphy if it does not include eligible children.  Without them included the true vaccination rate falls to the low 50s, well below the safe figure for opening up. If Gladys and the PM continue building false expectations based on 80% of vaccinated adults only, then our hospital sector is going to be placed in an impossible position.

[LP]

The 80% is a furphy if it does not include eligible children.  Without them included the true vaccination rate falls to the low 50s, well below the safe figure for opening up. If Gladys and the PM continue building false expectations based on 80% of vaccinated adults only, then our hospital sector is going to be placed in an impossible position.

My concern isn't the vaccination of children in the short term, as the data appears to support the idea that "in the short term" Sars-CoV-2 isn't going to cause severe illness in children. However, I do worry about the long term effects in those infected children and what impact that may have on the health system. Children, especially very young children, are not cheap to treat and there are far fewer specialist resources available for them with most being centrally located!

On opening up, in terms of Delta the 80% vaccination rate in adults is almost the bare minimum. It's basically tripping over the finish line in last place.

It looks like Gladys Burythemall's procrastination has ultimately brought NSW undone, epidemiologists were predicting 2000 cases a day a couple of weeks back, and I thought NSW did well to keep that in check, but in reality all the half-ar5ed restrictions did was slow the rise in numbers. They are now predicting 2000 day within the next fortnight. NSW just isn't locking down hard enough and haven't had anywhere near the vaccine uptake they need, sooner or later they will be forced to lockdown really hard as hospitals overload.

[madbluboy]

Victoria's cases are going up quicker.