CV and mad panic behaviour

[ElwoodBlues1]

This is a pretty touchy subject, and I think we need to tread carefully.

Anecdotal stories have their place, but they are not a substitute for a good sample space of tabulated data that enables us to see the bigger picture, the broad societal trends. Until such information is forthcoming, I suggest we park the anecdotal fallacies, and the Appeal to Authority fallacy, and pause for a moment.

I'd have a bit more faith in the anecdotal stories from real people at the coalface than the selective Govt stats.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-12/p...s/12872962

[flyboy77]

An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

Why is that irresponsible? Was I making light of the problem? Quite the contrary.

Did I say every instance of A leads to B?

Of course it depends on the individual circumstances.

And if a mod considers it should be taken down, we'll I'll accept that without question.

And you can illuminate me can you?

As you've said to me often enough, do I care what you think?

I think my source has illuminated me well enough thanks.

[flyboy77]

By the by, for the bed wetting society who says we can't open up because Armageddon..ala Dan's dopey Burnet modelling.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-da...admissions

And the UK has had well over 30k cases a day for weeks now.

Let's say an average of 35000 cases....

Or here:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw-premier-co...31477.html
In the USA which is mainly a Pfizer vaccinated population Boosters are being recommended at 8 months so anyone here in Aus who was was part off the early vaccination process will probably need another in a couple of months.
Without Boosters we will be right back where we started and I think the Govt will have trouble selling the idea thats its the same deal as your ordinary flu shot which is aimed at the 65 plus age group.
We also need more data and testing with regards Boosters and their side effects etc, its a long way from over even with high Vaccination rates and IMO the important stat will be maintaining high vaccination rates and how to get the vaccinated to return at the same levels every 8-12 months.

[flyboy77]

And to round the story out, here's the UK death numbers....

Loose numbers 175 death a day in UK from people 'with' CV19.

Average age circa 80+ (but I need to firm that up).

[LP]

And to round the story out, here's the UK death numbers....

Loose numbers 175 death a day in UK from people 'with' CV19.

"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?

[madbluboy]

An extremely irresponsible assertion on your part. You should delete this post. Did you even consider who might be reading this comment? Whoever told you this is totally wrong. Self-harm does NOT automatically assume suicide. Terrible post. I'd be happy to illuminate you on the facts, re self-harm by PM.

Anyone who has a relative/loved one/friend who self-harms, please DON'T be alarmed by 77s assertion. Treatment and care for these folks is often very successful.

But you're back slapping people here saying suicide is not up based on numbers from before our current lockdown? Are you that politically bias or that stupid?

[flyboy77]

"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?

I've seen you trying to be 'cute' before. You're a fail. Not up for debate. Sorry.

I put the chart up - and here it is again.....feel free to run an average....i didn't feel a need to be accurate to 4 dp. Feel free.

If that's your best shot, you're conceding the argument.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

Now, and expecting a few ranters on the source, here's Robert Malone, talking some sense.

Even LP will learn something, but he would never admit it.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-...GicLj8HuTR

[flyboy77]

https://www.news.com.au/world/uk-cases-h...38bb1922bd

Sorry to ruin your spin...LP?

"Loose numbers" is I gather your term for .................... not quite true in this context?

175 deaths in a day is the global average for the whole UK pandemic, 87 UK deaths yesterday from COVID, how many were vaccinated?

Since Freedom Day the UK is average 104 deaths a day, early reports are that 98% of them are unvaccinated, but it will take several more weeks before the numbers are finalised as they use 28 days as the critical cut-off.

Up massively since the lockdown ended, but I thought you stated lockdowns do not work?

LP says

Up massively since the lockdown ended,

Feel free to help him see the explosion....in the attached picture...clearly needs help.

You left yourself exposed there LP. You're better than that right?

[shawny]

Can you remind of us of any occasion where Dan Andrews has said there will be just 1 fixed response to Covid? If you can, then we'll happily concede he lied. But I think you'll find that he has made the obvious point repeatedly that the response will change as the circumstances change. When there was 0 Covid restrictions were relaxed and when outbreaks occurred lockdowns were imposed. By the way, you might have missed it but he has recently accepted that there'll be no return to Covid-0, so he has flagged that the response now will change to ensure the numbers stay manageable. Moving the goalposts? I'd say Gladys and the Delta variant have moved us to a wholly new stadium. 

Are we talking about the same man here.

Can’t be.

The one I was referring to lied under oath with the old  ‘i can’t recall’ to several questions? 

I guess you believed him with that? Yeah of course you did.

That’s it for me on this.