CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.

Yes, this seems self-evident, so the net effect of disobedience is that restrictions remain for longer than necessary, the cultural tug-of-war.

They are the naughty kid, standing in the corner, expecting to be released by throwing a tantrum!

I'm very worried about the youth, a large segment is too easily influenced by social media, they are accepting of the certain uncertainty to the point they appear paranoid of authority. It's neither a safe or natural position that they take, because there is such bias in how they weigh the legitimacy of the information. Their friend who claims COVID shrinks your dick or swells your tits, is less doubted than the doctor who claims long COVID is very serious and real!

They almost seem oblivious the risk of new strains, and come across as so entitled that they appear dismissive of the concept that things can get much much worse than it currently is, they are already claiming they have been assaulted to the maximum degree!

[kruddler]

Let nature take its course with them LP.

Survival of the fittest and all that.

Maybe they can all get a collective Darwin award?

[Baggers]

I think the anti-lockdown types had a naive and incorrect belief that if they could blow up Covid-0, Governments would have little choice but to allow life to go back to normal. In reality, the only hope of living a life that approximates the old normal is to stay at Covid-0. Once that's impossible, we'll be in permanent lockdown. Just to keep new infections at around 100 a day requires hard restrictions. And when spikes take it above that figure, hard lockdowns are needed. The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.   

Sad but true. As an old teacher of mine said many, many years ago - 'Never underestimate human denial.'

Seems present commentary puts relaxation of some restrictions at a vaccination rate of at least 70%... hoping for 80%.

As K mentioned, the 'denialists' will simply learn the hard way, putting themselves as front running for the upcoming Darwin Awards. Not to mention how they'll potentially further burdening our health services.

[ElwoodBlues1]

https://au.yahoo.com/news/twice-as-fast-...06799.html
https://au.news.yahoo.com/grim-new-covid...00485.html

[flyboy77]

I think the anti-lockdown types had a naive and incorrect belief that if they could blow up Covid-0, Governments would have little choice but to allow life to go back to normal. In reality, the only hope of living a life that approximates the old normal is to stay at Covid-0. Once that's impossible, we'll be in permanent lockdown. Just to keep new infections at around 100 a day requires hard restrictions. And when spikes take it above that figure, hard lockdowns are needed. The only other way out is high vaccination rates, but I suspect there's a big overlap between anti-Lockdowns, anti-Maskers & anti-Vaxxers. If so, the anti-Lockdowners will ensure both that we won't stay at Covid-0 & we'll be unable to open up safely.   

I had a good laugh at your misguided certitude.

I'd love to see some data to support your assertion that hard lock downs are necessary to keep cases down....other NPIs have ben shown to be just as effective.

and quite frankly, there  is ample data out of the UK to suggest hospitalisation rates are being driven by the vaxxed. Go figure.

Is the NSW hospital system really overwhelmed by 140 cases in ICU?

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/surg...admissions

Meanwhile, data continues to emerge suggesting that the vaccines are next to useless against variants. Which is all that remains these days....

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...1.full.pdf

So, good luck with your 6 monthly jabs.

[LP]

Often counting resources is quite a simplistic argument ignoring the real issues as [member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍ pointed out numerous times.

Even in the very report linked above;

Based on current workforce data from the 175 respondent ICUs, maximal surge would require an additional 4092 senior medical staff (345% above baseline staffing), and an additional 42 720 registered nursing staff would be required (365% above baseline staffing)

Who'd have thought that an ICU bed could not run itself! :o

The NSW public can just ask for a polite bend over and pull a 3x increase in skilled ICU staff out of the Premier's ar5e! ;D

Perhaps we can bring the extra staff from India or Indonesia, quick place an Ad on 457-Jobs-R-Us! :

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[Mav]

Flyboy, you might get lucky with the variants: maybe Ivermectin might finally work on one of them. Ivermectin fans will be like Powerball “investors” waiting with bated breath to see if their numbers come up this time.

By the way, here’s a good article about those pushing Ivermectin: People Are Eating Horse Paste To Fight COVID. These Doctors Are One Reason Why, HuffPost.

The article deals with the Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance, a group of Doctors who desperately sought to repurpose existing medications to give them some weapons to battle Covid when nothing else was available. They had a big win with a combination of the steroid methylprednisolone and other drugs and supplements. They pressed on despite resistance in the medical community until studies confirmed the effectiveness of steroids in treating serious cases. But then they backed the wrong horse based on dodgy studies. While steroids operate as anti-inflammatories and there’s a plausible way they might help treat Covid, it’s much harder to see how Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic rather than anti-viral medication, would help.

As the article notes, initially the FLCCCA was trying to find a stopgap pending the arrival of effective vaccines but it seems the support from right wingers and anti-vaxxers has worked to stop the FLCCCA recommending vaccines.

The article quotes Dr Eric Osgood, a former member of the FLCCCA who quit because of the group’s failure to endorse vaccines:

“[Ivermectin] shouldn’t have been promoted as a vaccine alternative or a miracle cure,” he said. “People are drinking sheep drench! If that’s not a call to use your clout and influence to say, ‘Enough is enough! Get your shots!’ then I just don’t know.”

But even the remaining members of the FLCCCA are worried that the Delta variant is kicking Ivermectin’s arse:

And as the delta variant continues to infect the nation, even Kory admits that ivermectin (the human kind) is no match for it, tweeting on Aug. 9, “I have experienced and am getting reports from FLCCC Alliance members that Delta variant patients crashing into ICU’s ... are not showing responses to MATH+. We are demoralized and frightened. Early treatment is CRITICAL. Every household should take I-MASK+ upon first symptoms.”

[flyboy77]

Flyboy, you might get lucky with the variants: maybe Ivermectin might finally work on one of them. Ivermectin fans will be like Powerball “investors” waiting with bated breath to see if their numbers come up this time.

By the way, here’s a good article about those pushing Ivermectin: People Are Eating Horse Paste To Fight COVID. These Doctors Are One Reason Why, HuffPost.

The article deals with the Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance, a group of Doctors who desperately sought to repurpose existing medications to give them some weapons to battle Covid when nothing else was available. They had a big win with a combination of the steroid methylprednisolone and other drugs and supplements. They pressed on despite resistance in the medical community until studies confirmed the effectiveness of steroids in treating serious cases. But then they backed the wrong horse based on dodgy studies. While steroids operate as anti-inflammatories and there’s a plausible way they might help treat Covid, it’s much harder to see how Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic rather than anti-viral medication, would help.

As the article notes, initially the FLCCCA was trying to find a stopgap pending the arrival of effective vaccines but it seems the support from right wingers and anti-vaxxers has worked to stop the FLCCCA recommending vaccines.

The article quotes Dr Eric Osgood, a former member of the FLCCCA who quit because of the group’s failure to endorse vaccines:
But even the remaining members of the FLCCCA are worried that the Delta variant is kicking Ivermectin’s arse:

You've never heard of Penicillin Mav? Used by humans and animals alike for many a decade.

Ivermectin - the sheep drench line is a great straw man line (well poor really).

Ivermectin has been on the WHO's most essential drug list since circa 1980.

You reckon it doesn't work - you base that on the spin you read on cereal packets or worse....

I look at the data - and the evidence is overwhelming with next to zero risk of any adverse side effects.

c19ivermectin.com

or Tess Lawrie's meta study undertake to the highest Cochrane standard.

https://bird-group.org/health-professionals-resources/

Do you really think these types (Lawrie, Kory, Meduri, Cadegiani, Malone etc.) are all just crazy nutters?

https://ivmmeta.com/

Why is your view better than theirs?

Do you back slappers here ever actually read any of this stuff or just run a 'fact check' search and grab a hold of that biased garbage?

Osgood? Looks like he got bought....

And there are many other viable treatments too for that matter.

Here's hoping you don't have Soyboy Sutton bed sheets.

Speaking of which, Slug Gate #2 resumes at 2.30pm.

https://t.co/YHHNQFi8xX?amp=1

[Mav]

You've never heard of Penicillin Mav? Used by humans and animals alike for many a decade.

Why don't we just use Penicillin then, Flyboy? Could it be because it's an anti-bacterial rather than an anti-viral? We all know Penicillin doesn't work against the flu let alone Covid. Still, an antibacterial is closer to the mark than an anti-parasitic medication.

Osgood? Looks like he got bought....

^-^ Classic ...

I have no problem with you using Ivermectin. Have at it. You never know, maybe using horse dewormer will end up with you drawing admiring glances in the urinals at half-time in Carlton games.  Maybe you'll start showing the gentler personality of horses, although you'd probably need to stop taking that Tasmanian Devil medication first. 

[flyboy77]

Why don't we just use Penicillin then, Flyboy? Could it be because it's an anti-bacterial rather than an anti-viral? We all know Penicillin doesn't work against the flu let alone Covid. Still, an antibacterial is closer to the mark than an anti-parasitic medication.
^-^ Classic ...

I have no problem with you using Ivermectin. Have at it. You never know, maybe using horse dewormer will end up with you drawing admiring glances in the urinals at half-time in Carlton games.  Maybe you'll start showing the gentler personality of horses, although you'd probably need to stop taking that Tasmanian Devil medication first. 

I know you're not as dumb as your recent batch of comments.

The reference to Penicillin was by way of analogy. Duh.

Your smug comments re Ivermectin simply tells me you've been too lazy to read any of the literature - happy to run with the facile government/MSM narrative....

Re the current vaccines, it's hardly earth shattering logic to grasp that as the bugs change, a vaccine designed to subdue an original strain (which has faded away), might not work for the new variants - Delta etc. (think the flu).

Why are our Governments running with a 70%++ vaccine popn. threshold, when they now know (very well indeed) the efficacy and duration are extremely limited?

It's spin and nothing but fear porn.

Illogical. Ditto the whole vax passport caper given no reduction in transmission, no reduction in catching it.....