CV and mad panic behaviour

[Professer E]

Half of Melbourne took advantage of the nice weather this weekend to have a jolly down the Bellarine.  This "lock down" is an utter joke.

[Mav]

As NSW has shown, if you have a half-arsed lockdown, you get half-arsed results.

It’s not enough to have a strict lockdown on paper. It needs to be enforced. The police might be front and centre at lockdown protests but they’re invisible elsewhere. It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to track down the obvious breaches of lockdown rules but it seems the police turn a blind eye to them. And when something like the St Kilda engagement party comes to light, all the attendees probably escape any action because the contact tracers need their cooperation.

[Gointocarlton]

Half of Melbourne took advantage of the nice weather this weekend to have a jolly down the Bellarine.  This "lock down" is an utter joke.

HS showing people crammed into a house holding an engagement party. We are just as bad as NSW.

[flyboy77]

The Ivermectin push does seem to be just a figleaf for antivaxxers. The big tell is that those who push it also claim vaccines are dangerous and ineffective. I could understand if proponents of Ivermectin argued that vaccines are a great first-line of defence but when infections occur more treatments are needed.

I have no problems with existing medications being trialled to see if they might give doctors another option. I don’t have a “vaccine or nothing” mentality. Steroids have proved of some use in about a third of cases. If it works, great. But one of the attractions of using pre-existing drugs at their usual dosage is that their contraindications and side-effects are known. But if the dosage is substantially increased in order to work against Covid, new safety trials are required and can only be justified if there is enough evidence that the drug will work at reasonably safe levels. Claims Ivermectin kills Covid in Petri dishes seems to be a long way from proving this. And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinica...ivermectin

And the above article suggests later studies have concluded it’s not effective.

In any event, the University of Oxford was to start a trial in June, so we’ll have some decent data at the end of it.

Have you looked at any of the studies?

c19ivermectin.com

https://bird-group.org/health-professionals-resources/

Far better studied, tested and understood than any of the current vaccines. Terrific safety profile too.

Oh, haven't heard of Professor Borody?

Another conspiracy nutter?

The world knew in March 2020 (earlier actually), Ivermectin kills 99.98% of SARS-COV2 in vitro....after that crickets from the regulatory authorities. I wonder why.

https://covexit.com/australian-gps-can-l...or-borody/

[Mav]

I’m sure if you splashed hydrochloric acid over the Covid virus in a Petri dish, those suckers wouldn’t last long. In fact, if you put a Covid patient into a hydrochloric acid bath, that would kill the virus too.

[LP]

I’m sure if you splashed hydrochloric acid over the Covid virus in a Petri dish, those suckers wouldn’t last long. In fact, if you put a Covid patient into a hydrochloric acid bath, that would kill the virus too.

And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:

A bit of an understatement.

A recent Nature article suggests that not only were the results unreproducible as part of a number of replication studies, the dose of the horse worming drug Ivermectin was so so high that if you administered it to the general public you would destroy the kidneys of a large percentage of patients! They mentioned that the dose used which produced sporadic results in a petri dish was hundreds of times the normal dose.

Anyway, they already know that if you administer Ivermectin to millions of patients, even at the normal dose levels, you will end up with hundreds of hospitalisations per million from Ivermectin side-effects with some of those people ultimately requiring life long dialysis.

Ivermectin, which is neither a treatment or a prophylactic for Sars-CoV-2, is just touted by COVID-19 sceptics as part of a rock throwing exercise.

FYI, feedback on the main major Ivermectin study used to boost it's efficacy;

“The authors claimed they conducted the study between the 8th of June and 20th of September 2020, however most of the patients who died were admitted into hospital and died before the 8th of June according to the raw data. The data was also terribly formatted, and includes one patient who left hospital on the non-existent date of 31/06/2020.”

There were other concerns.
“In their paper, the authors claim that four out of 100 patients died in their standard treatment group for mild and moderate Covid-19,” Lawrence said. “According to the original data the number was 0, the same as the ivermectin treatment group. In their ivermectin treatment group for severe Covid-19, the authors claim two patients died, but the number in their raw data is four.”

So they are caught out manipulating the data and patient records to make Ivermectin look good! Of course to lay people 2 or 4 doesn't sound like much, but the study was so small that 2 or 4 is all the deaths that occurred in the study group, so erasing a couple deaths here or adding a couple of survivors there results in a +50% improvement!

When the raw data was re-analysed with out the manipulated figures, the results matched closely with all the replication studies, and that finding is patients in the Ivermectin trial survived or perished by chance!

[Thryleon]

Without digging too deeply into stats, numbers or what not, I can categorically state that people i know are all experiencing lockdown fatigue on some level and a lot of them are really struggling with this now.

Its very easy to sit there and state "do the right thing" when the right thing is very much putting lives on hold for a lengthy period of time, all to stop the spread in a group of people who seem determined to do the exact opposite. 

I dont have the answers, but I post this here to try and get some people to exercise even one modicum of human emotion/empathy rather than sitting on their high horse, telling the world how their dictatorship should run.

I watched EPL with full crowds over the weekend.  Are we sure we are getting this approach correct?

[Mav]

But the beauty of submitting fraudulent studies is that their retraction or rejection down the track leaves meta-analysis studies which incorporated those studies standing. So, skewing the meta-analysis studies by fraudulent BS allows the BS artists to cite good faith meta-analyses and medical/scientific opinions based upon them to support their arguments down the track. This is yet another Trump-style tactic such as when he was trying to strong-arm the DOJ to "Just say that the election was corrupt & leave the rest to me". You just need a figleaf to hide your fraudulent manipulations.

[madbluboy]

Rumour is the curfew is coming back.

[Gointocarlton]

Rumour is the curfew is coming back.

I'm moving to Italy