CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Back in the real world, Covid's just doing what it does. Sydney reports 233 cases and unfortunately a man in his 20s just died. He reached day 13, telling nurses (he wasn't in hospital) that he was just a little fatigued. Then his condition deteriorated rapidly.

I'm hoping like hell Sydney buck the trend, but I fear this could well be the lead in for the lag that exists between infection and the final outcome.

[flyboy77]

Sweden did some interesting things that left in on the brink of political chaos, when the news about it's failing strategy got bad, it stopped reporting COVID case figures, and tried to rewrite the rules about what is a COVID death to make the numbers look better. The Swedish public are furious, it looks like they will turf out the government.

The Swedish government's action has made it look like a totalitarian state, which is somewhat ironic for it to be offered up as a beacon of hope towards COVID freedom!

The second link is an outright fabrication, Sweden gets more than 1200 deaths per Million of population. So far they have had more than 14,000 die. That was just up until the point they stopped reporting, now open source estimates from NGOs are estimating the death rate has risen beyond 1600 per Million of population. Australia has about 36 deaths per Million.

In Sweden the bad numbers have been rising not falling! :o

Of course they will eventually get to a peak, via one way or the other, but at what cost.

It turns out that the Herd Immunity strategy is an economic disaster as well, they have a small highly skilled population that is being massively disrupted by the symptoms of Long COVID. So far it's economy has dropped -3.5%, not the -1.5% often reported which is actually a 2022 forecast from the Swedish Central bank, not a real number. Now the sceptics will say -3.5% is nothing, but that is relative to Sweden's EU neighbours which have faired much better after taking a more conventional approach, some have even experienced some 2021 growth!

On COVID-19 cases relative to it's neighbours, countries like Denmark, Finland and Norway, it turns out Sweden is 500% worse off in most key infection and case rates.

Finally, the quarterly COVID-19 fatality rate for Sweden is 0.5% per case, worse than the world average of about 0.3% per case. This is despite Sweden being a well resourced technologically advanced country, it should be doing better than most not worse.

No wonder the Swedish public is furious!

I laughed.

So you ignore entirely the excess death numbers. Terrific.

You claim Sweden's death rate is rising now?

Weird. How can an 'average ' rate increase is recent numbers are declining. Confabulation, my guess.

My Swedish mates tell me it barely rates a mention over there these days....

Comparing Sweden to here is straw man fallacy stuff.

Anyway, the data doesn't lie, despite your limp protestations.

Herd immunity - your comments suggests you don't understand the concept.

Are you slipping out of your depth?

Comparing to the other Nordic countries and not Euro countries in general, again, straw man spin.

If you'd looked at excess deaths in the years up to 2020, you'd see Sweden had remarkably lower than average deaths for two consecutive years....there was a lot of 'dry tinder' unfortunately.

#36 globally, #24 in Europe....see attached.

LP, I do love the fact you also just put up 'opinion' without any substance/supporting data other than it supports your narrative.

Are you a science or a marketing guy? Perhaps you're one of Dopey's 100 strong PR team?

For others, who are keen to learn more about the hyped Delta bug...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRQ8bneI7vs&t=2s

[LP]

I laughed.

People often laugh when they a wrong or confused, it's an autonomic nervous response, like going red in the face when embarrassed! ;D

Some more official Sweden figures; (uncoloured and unadulterated.)

As of August 3rd, 14,657 people have been confirmed as having died after testing positive for the coronavirus in Sweden (adjusted down from 14,655 on July 30th). Sweden normally updates its data Tuesday-Friday at 2pm, but the country’s database for registering infectious diseases was closed for some days due to security reasons, which means updates on the data have been irregular.
( It's all good news! )  :

Since the start of the outbreak, 7,619 coronavirus patients have been in intensive care as of August 3rd (up from 7,608 on July 30th). The numbers also include those who die after receiving intensive care and patients who have recovered and been discharged.

There have been 1,101,900 confirmed cases of the coronavirus according to data reported on August 3rd (up from 1,100,040 on July 30th).
( ~500 per day! )

6,433,921 people had been given at least one dose of a vaccine against the coronavirus as of August 3rd, and 4,266,100 had been given two doses. This means 52.1 percent of the Swedish adult population has now had two doses.
( For a country that is apparently promoting herd immunity through natural infection it is sure going like the clappers now with vaccinations! )

Everyone in Sweden is urged to stay at home and get a coronavirus test if they are at all sick (even a mild cough or sore throat), practice social distancing, work from home if possible, and socialise with as few people as possible.
( Aren't they going for natural herd immunity? ) Maybe not! :o

[flyboy77]

People often laugh when they a wrong or confused, it's an autonomic nervous response, like going red in the face when embarrassed! ;D

Ad hominem attack is the domain of fools or the ignorant.

Which are you?

[LP]

"How dare you" !!!

[member=827]capcom[/member]  You were right!

( [member=61]Baggers[/member] - Another Darth Vader moment! )

[Mav]

Ad hominem attack is the domain of fools or the ignorant.

Which are you?

Says the king of the ad hominem attack.

[DJC]

The world passed 200 million notified cases of COVID-19 yesterday along with 4,258,000 deaths.  That gives a CFR of about 2.13% but some folk still reckon it's no worse than seasonal flu.

[flyboy77]

People often laugh when they a wrong or confused, it's an autonomic nervous response, like going red in the face when embarrassed! ;D

Some more official Sweden figures; (uncoloured and unadulterated.)

As of August 3rd, 14,657 people have been confirmed as having died after testing positive for the coronavirus in Sweden (adjusted down from 14,655 on July 30th). Sweden normally updates its data Tuesday-Friday at 2pm, but the country’s database for registering infectious diseases was closed for some days due to security reasons, which means updates on the data have been irregular.
( It's all good news! )  :

Since the start of the outbreak, 7,619 coronavirus patients have been in intensive care as of August 3rd (up from 7,608 on July 30th). The numbers also include those who die after receiving intensive care and patients who have recovered and been discharged.

There have been 1,101,900 confirmed cases of the coronavirus according to data reported on August 3rd (up from 1,100,040 on July 30th).
( ~500 per day! )

6,433,921 people had been given at least one dose of a vaccine against the coronavirus as of August 3rd, and 4,266,100 had been given two doses. This means 52.1 percent of the Swedish adult population has now had two doses.
( For a country that is apparently promoting herd immunity through natural infection it is sure going like the clappers now with vaccinations! )

Everyone in Sweden is urged to stay at home and get a coronavirus test if they are at all sick (even a mild cough or sore throat), practice social distancing, work from home if possible, and socialise with as few people as possible.
( Aren't they going for natural herd immunity? ) Maybe not! :o

A PCR 'confirmed' positive

Says the king of the ad hominem attack.

You're a laugh Mav.

[DJC]

A paragraph from an interesting, if disturbing, commentary on Sweden's COVID failure from a couple of Swedes in The Lancet:

While other countries are closing down in response to this new surge in cases, Sweden is opening up—high schools were opened on April 1, 2021. To continue on the same trajectory in the face of current trends, without timely action by agency and government leadership, raises concerns about governance and accountability, and ultimately about fundamental ethics and values.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...0/fulltext

The letter was published a while back so the figures are lower than they are now. 

[LP]

Sweden have today announced it expects the public will need a 3rd dose of vaccine and is making provisions accordingly, that seems to be a lot of expensive trouble to go to for a country going for herd immunity!

As for COVID issues, hardly talked about over there in Sweden apparently, except when related to issues discussed on the front pages of every newspaper or news related website!

- Sweden’s parliament has backed a no-confidence vote in the centre-left prime minister, Stefan Löfven, making him the first premier to be ousted by opposition MPs in the country’s history and giving him a week to resign or call snap elections.

- Swedish PM Stefan Löfven resigns after losing confidence vote

- Löfven urges Sweden’s parliament to try to form new government instead of holding early general election

My Swedish mates tell me it barely rates a mention over there these days....

Who needs enemies with friends like that! :o