CV and mad panic behaviour

[Mav]

One thing I read suggests the difficulty with the modelling is that only 40% of people are staying home. If 80% of people stayed home, the lockdown might be more successful.

One problem is that keeping shops open and classing those that work there as essential workers means those workers need to leave the house to go to work. And those workers are probably more likely to hail from the locked down areas than from the elite North Shore.

[PaulP]

I can only go the headline as I’m blocked by the paywall: Scientists split over whether Sydney’s lockdown is tight enough to tame outbreak, The Age.

If you delete your cache and history you should be able to access both the Age and SMH. I think there's a 5 article limit, unless it changed recently.

[LP]

One problem is that keeping shops open and classing those that work there as essential workers means those workers need to leave the house to go to work. And those workers are probably more likely to hail from the locked down areas than from the elite North Shore.

Gladys had boutique clothing stores and bespoke shoe stores as essential businesses.

It was a lockdown joke!

[Mav]

Unbelievable! The traffic controller at the Moonee Valley Covid Testing site who tested positive had refused the vaccine. The unvaccinated shouldn’t be employed in jobs where they’re likely to come into contact with infected people . Sack any who aren’t vaccinated.

[shawny]

Unbelievable! The traffic controller at the Moonee Valley Covid Testing site who tested positive had refused the vaccine. The unvaccinated shouldn’t be employed in jobs where they’re likely to come into contact with infected people . Sack any who aren’t vaccinated.

Why do people relate being vaccinated with reducing the chance of transmission?  The vaccines offer little to no resistance to contracting Covid and no help at all against transmitting it.  They are both solely formulated to reduce the severity of Covid to assist which inturn reduces the pressure on the public health system.

I know if you watch the daily ground hog day reports many give the impression that if you have the vaccine you are safe to be around and we will only be safe and Covid free once the whole nation (starting off as the elderly, then included the mid age now that want children vaccinated) but this is just another lie for those in charge.  The current vaccines are for the sole personal protection of those who receive it and hence why i see very little benefit in vaccinating young adults and are dead against vaccinating children! As a matter of fact once they included vaccinating children in their PR spin, that was the point when i started to really wonder if the advise we are getting is accurate and hence why imo its every persons choice to take it or not to take it. I'm perfectly fine either way and think each person should have the discussion with their doctor and make a decision accordingly and as children have little issue with Covid exposing them to these sorts of vaccines is a far greater risk as they simply havent been around long enough to see the real effects on them. 

[Gointocarlton]

Unbelievable! The traffic controller at the Moonee Valley Covid Testing site who tested positive had refused the vaccine. The unvaccinated shouldn’t be employed in jobs where they’re likely to come into contact with infected people . Sack any who aren’t vaccinated.

And did I hear correctly that he visited his GF at the Maribyrnong apartment that was in total isolation? Sack and fine the kent and his GF immediately.

[Thryleon]

Myth busters.

1.  The unvaccinated guy may not have refused a vaccine, he just wasn't vaccinated.  Not long ago, they were turning people away for first dose because Pfizer wasn't available.

2.  He wasn't involved in close contact with people being tested he just worked at the site in moonee valley.

3.  He visited his girlfriend at the Newport apartments that have resulted in them being shut down, not whilst they were shut down.

Now I've got that out of the way, I'll post another myth buster.

Yes its true, vaccination doesn't stop you catching nor spreading the virus, BUT if you did catch covid the window of viral shedding and load, will likely be smaller in someone who is vaccinated vs someone unvaccinated.

You could argue that someone vaccinated might be more likely to spread it if they ignore mild symptoms because they might not even know they're sick, but either way there's no guarantees.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.../100332454

[Mav]

Myth busters.

1.  The unvaccinated guy may not have refused a vaccine, he just wasn't vaccinated.  Not long ago, they were turning people away for first dose because Pfizer wasn't available.
The media report was that he was offered the vaccine and turned it down.  I don’t post rumours drawn from social media or Snowy from the Pub.

2.  He wasn't involved in close contact with people being tested he just worked at the site in moonee valley.
We’d better hope he caught it at the testing sire and that’s the working theory of authorities. All it takes is a conversation with someone coming for a test. If this assumption is incorrect, then there’s a mystery case in the community who infected him at some unknown place. That’ll ring alarm bells.

[Thryleon]

What constitutes refusal of a vaccine anyway?

Did he sign a waiver saying he wouldn't get one?

According to the abc article i googled this is the quote:

"It's an important point that this individual was not having really close, direct contact with people coming through those testing sites, as someone who was assessing to direct traffic," he said.

I know people refusing to take a vaccine that currently are health care workers and will get one on their terms.

You see a lot in our health care networks.  I know people who have some trepidation in vaccination.  They're delaying for now but not refusing.  I imagine this guy is similar.

[Mav]

Online dictionary definition of ‘refuse’:

indicate that one is not willing to accept or grant (something offered or requested).
"she refused a cigarette"

A refusal can be a one-time-only thing. Running with the example of the woman who refused a cigarette, she may well have accepted a cigarette the next time one was offered.