CV and mad panic behaviour

[Mav]

• On the 7 News tonight, 2 interesting stats were given:
  • 6 million AZ doses have been administered in Australia. 
    
  • According to a WHO advisor, In UK the 18-24 year olds are the age category with most infections of Delta over the last month, followed by the 5-18 year olds.

[ElwoodBlues1]

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I guess you could argue that the dearth of death from nuclear weapons might be due to them being available only in 1945, the fact that most countries don't have access to them, and the restraint by those that have have them. So, maybe it isn't fair to compare nuclear weapon deaths given that guns have been available for a millennium and the enthusiasm countries and individuals have demonstrated towards using them on each other.

But I guess that means we need to compare apples with apples when we cite statistics.

You compared deaths attributed to AZ over 6 months in Australia to deaths in NSW from Covid over a month (and most infections were more recent than that). There's little point looking at deaths outside that period in NSW (and Australia) given the elimination strategy had been successful for months before that. The vaccination program was all about preparing for what happens when the elimination strategy ends or fails. However bad the Covid crisis might be in NSW now, it's nothing compared to what would happen if Covid runs rampant throughout not only NSW but Australia (but the Australia-wide death toll of 915 might be a better indicator). That's when deaths would mount, but AZ might reduce that death toll. That means the comparison you make isn't a great metric.

Maybe the best metric might be the number of deaths attributable to AZ vs. lives saved by it. But even that would fail to account for serious long-Covid illness. 

I wonder how many lives epidemiologists would say were and will be saved by the AZ vaccine, especially if Covid ends up circulating freely?

I'm interested in deaths from the new variant Delta which is causing us the problems now vs deaths from the vaccines and in particular the age groups. I'm wondering why a Prime Minister with no medical qualifications would encourage people to get get jabbed with a vaccine that ATAGI his vaccine advisory group have said is only suitable for over 60's.
He wants to alter their advice to fit his political agenda, It’s a constant appeal, I can assure you,” Morrison said......his constant appeal has cost a 44 and a 48 year old their lives IMO. Morrison IMHO has been putting unfair pressure on ATAGI and avoiding his responsibility for the lack of Pfizer for the age groups ATAGI designated.
My issue isnt with AstraZ vs Pfizer etc its with a PM trying to play catchup politics by putting other Australians at greater risk..

[Mav]

I definitely agree Scotty from Marketing should have spread the risk by sourcing a number of different vaccines.  Snubbing Pfizer was disastrous.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Once America was involved, it was all over. 

They only got involved when the Japs got ahead of themselves and attacked Pearl Harbor, they were happy to keep supplying everyone with equipment, keep the war running and make a dollar out of everyone. Hitler made the wrong move attacking Russia, he could have attacked England instead , would have won that easy but attacked Russia and it was downhill from there.

[capcom]

Yep EB .... two wars on two fronts.

[DJC]

They only got involved when the Japs got ahead of themselves and attacked Pearl Harbor, they were happy to keep supplying everyone with equipment, keep the war running and make a dollar out of everyone. Hitler made the wrong move attacking Russia, he could have attacked England instead , would have won that easy but attacked Russia and it was downhill from there.

Operation Sealion - the invasion of Britain - was cancelled in Sep 1940 when Luftwaffe losses from the Battle of Britain were so great that the invasion could not succeed.

Operation Barbarossa - the invasion of Russia - began on 22 Jun 1941, long after Hitler had given up on invading Britain.

As for Pearl Harbour, the Japanese didn't get "ahead of themselves", all three US Pacific fleet carriers were at sea when the Japanese attacked.  The war could have taken a very different course if the carriers had been sunk at Pearl Harbour.  Neutralising  the US Navy's Pacific fleet was a key element of Japan's strategy, and they nearly pulled it off.

The US provided military equipment to the Allies via Lend-Lease which meant that no payments were required until the end of the war.  The US was the recipient of reverse Lend-Lease military equipment from Britain after it entered the war.  It was actually in the USA's interest to end the war quickly so they could get payment, hence their insistence on the bringing D-Day forward.

[spf]

Interesting the figures in Dr John Campbells video. He was saying 67% vaccinated in the UK.

https://youtu.be/Jv3Q74CLU1c

[ElwoodBlues1]

Operation Sealion - the invasion of Britain - was cancelled in Sep 1940 when Luftwaffe losses from the Battle of Britain were so great that the invasion could not succeed.

Operation Barbarossa - the invasion of Russia - began on 22 Jun 1941, long after Hitler had given up on invading Britain.

As for Pearl Harbour, the Japanese didn't get "ahead of themselves", all three US Pacific fleet carriers were at sea when the Japanese attacked.  The war could have taken a very different course if the carriers had been sunk at Pearl Harbour.  Neutralising  the US Navy's Pacific fleet was a key element of Japan's strategy, and they nearly pulled it off.

The US provided military equipment to the Allies via Lend-Lease which meant that no payments were required until the end of the war.  The US was the recipient of reverse Lend-Lease military equipment from Britain after it entered the war.  It was actually in the USA's interest to end the war quickly so they could get payment, hence their insistence on the bringing D-Day forward.

I know about the lend lease agreement and yes the USA didn't supply arms. I'm talking American industry, Henry Ford was a nazi supporter and had factories in Europe run by American managers as did GM, Ford sold the Germans parts and aircraft lubricants.
GM supplied motors for Nazi trucks, Standard Oil were also supplying oil for fuels. They were disgraceful and used Panamanian flagged boats to ship it.

Ford even pressured the govt not to bomb his factories and got a compo package after the war worth millions because they did get bombed. Reported that Hitler had a photo of Henry Ford at the Reichstag and loved the bloke. Was that bad that the American troops found GMs sub brand Opel had been building motors and aircraft when they invaded Europe..
Roosevelt wanted Ford to up production at home but instead they were focused on their euro business. Ford was asked to build Rolls Royce Merlin engines but Henry himself knocked back the idea.
Those companies copped scrutiny after the war but hired a heap of legal teams to deflect the flak.

[LP]

• On the 7 News tonight, 2 interesting stats were given:
  • 6 million AZ doses have been administered in Australia.
    
  • According to a WHO advisor, In UK the 18-24 year olds are the age category with most infections of Delta over the last month, followed by the 5-18 year olds.
    

Did you know if you handed out 6,000,000 bags of peanuts to a random sample of population, you'd have 150,000 hospitalisations from allergic reactions of which you'd get 750 adult deaths and up to 3,000 infant deaths. :o

Sort of makes the risk from the scientifically formulated free vaccine injection seem pretty low, mother nature is pretty deadly though!

Do they still leave bowls of peanuts as a free snack on some bars?

[LP]

Interesting the figures in Dr John Campbells video. He was saying 67% vaccinated in the UK.

https://youtu.be/Jv3Q74CLU1c

Nice link [member=78]spf[/member]‍ , really helps people understand herd immunity and the benefits of vaccination, as long as not too many of the population decide to leave getting a vaccination up to somebody else! :o