CV and mad panic behaviour

[Mav]

Let’s hope it doesn’t get to Omega. In Star Trek canon, the Omega particle was capable of extinguishing all life.

[capcom]

Let’s hope it doesn’t get to Omega. In Star Trek canon, the Omega particle was capable of extinguishing all life.

Good one Seven

[DJC]

It doesn't seem that long ago that we were discussing India, the virulence of the Delta strain and how well or how bad India was handling the pandemic.

It seems that COVID may be "modern India's worst human tragedy."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/i...pN9iwvaqrQ

[capcom]

It doesn't seem that long ago that we were discussing India, the virulence of the Delta strain and how well or how bad India was handling the pandemic.

It seems that COVID may be "modern India's worst human tragedy."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/i...pN9iwvaqrQ

Yes.  Calm the public.  Utter nonsense

[LP]

The University of Melbourne modelling team that has guided Victorian Government responses to COVID outbreaks has crunched the NSW numbers:

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/...f-lockdown

It's highly likely there are departments in both the State and Federal Health authorities that already had these types of figures, ............... and yet they can't pull the triggers!

Imagine the complaints if people were told 6 to 8 weeks from the get go, but we have to go early and hard, otherwise it's going to be 5 months!

What happened to just telling the public the truth?

I complain about naysayers and deniers being merchants of doubt, I think in our leaders we have a electoral college of certain uncertainty!

[DJC]

It's highly likely there are departments in both the State and Federal Health authorities that already had these types of figures, ............... and yet they can't pull the triggers!

Imagine the complaints if people were told 6 to 8 weeks from the get go, but we have to go early and hard, otherwise it's going to be 5 months!

What happened to just telling the public the truth?

I complain about naysayers and deniers being merchants of doubt, I think in our leaders we have a electoral college of certain uncertainty!

The modelling team offers their services to any governments, free of charge.  Their work is fascinating and it’s incredible how slight changes to a variable will result in very different outcomes.

Best of all, they’re so open and transparent with their work.

[Baggers]

The University of Melbourne modelling team that has guided Victorian Government responses to COVID outbreaks has crunched the NSW numbers:

https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/...f-lockdown

Great article, thank you, David. (I trust you realise my comment about Gladys doing a great job with her consistency to keep daily nos high was heavily laced with sarcasm  ) So had Gladys adopted the VIC model from the get-go how many weeks of lockdown & lockdown lite could have been avoided?

[Mav]

Interesting developments.

In the US, conservative politicians and media are starting to advocate vaccination. Previously, FoxNews’ nighttime hosts were anti-vaxxers and you’d have to think management was supporting or orchestrating that for ratings and therefore $$. But Sean Hannity has now told viewers he has been vaccinated and it’s safe and effective, urging viewers to do the same. Chris Ruddy, owner of Newsmax, has released an editorial extolling vaccinations. Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida and a Republican leading the chase to be the Republican Presidential candidate in 2024 has begged Floridians to vaccinate, saying that just about all of the recent admissions to hosputal were unvaccinated. Mitch McConnell, GOP Senate leader, and Steve Scalise, GOP deputy leader in the House, have both joined in calls to vaccinate. This is a welcome development even if Trump supporters might be unmoved. Why now? Maybe conservatives are realising they don’t want to go to the 2022 midterms as the anti-vaxxer party, especially after Biden used his bully pulpit to call them out.

It also seems that Singapore has backflipped on its “learn to live with Covid” strategy, according to News.com.au. Only 4 days ago, restrictions were relaxed, e.g. groups of 5 vaccinated people could eat in restaurants (up from 2) and 5 people could socialise. But Covid then spiked and now restrictions have been reintroduced, e.g. only takeaway food is allowed and groups of more than 2 are prohibited.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronaviru...7c2fba1d45

[LP]

It also seems that Singapore has backflipped on its “learn to live with Covid” strategy, according to News.com.au. Only 4 days ago, restrictions were relaxed, e.g. groups of 5 vaccinated people could eat in restaurants (up from 2) and 5 people could socialise. But Covid then spiked and now restrictions have been reintroduced, e.g. only takeaway food is allowed and groups of more than 2 are prohibited.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronaviru...7c2fba1d45

Ignoring what is happening in most places this is a hell of a tell. I'd say Singapore was "The Gold Standard" for Sars-CoV-2 preparedness, having learned the lessons of the original Sars. Then just a few weeks back they were all in with the UK in calling for borders to be opened up to save the economies, and now as you point out Singapore has flipped. I think it's a safe bet the UK might be back in the bleachers soon as well.

A lot of this is because they see the infected average age dropping very quickly, ICU's are no longer the preserve of +65 year olds or the chronically ill comorbidities, we are seeing otherwise healthy 20 or 30 somethings starting to fill beds.

Then there is the rising infection rate in the under 16 sector, which for the original strains was almost rarer than hens teeth, but is now becoming common place.

I am cynical though, because I suspect the aging bureaucrats and politicians no longer see themselves getting priority access to an ICU bed when they may be competing for slots with children and youths. So now they are "Ya'll better get a vaccine!"

[flyboy77]

Ignoring what is happening in most places this is a hell of a tell. I'd say Singapore was "The Gold Standard" for Sars-CoV-2 preparedness, having learned the lessons of the original Sars. Then just a few weeks back they were all in with the UK in calling for borders to be opened up to save the economies, and now as you point out Singapore has flipped. I think it's a safe bet the UK might be back in the bleachers soon as well.

A lot of this is because they see the infected average age dropping very quickly, ICU's are no longer the preserve of +65 year olds or the chronically ill comorbidities, we are seeing otherwise healthy 20 or 30 somethings starting to fill beds.

Then there is the rising infection rate in the under 16 sector, which for the original strains was almost rarer than hens teeth, but is now becoming common place.

I am cynical though, because I suspect the aging bureaucrats and politicians no longer see themselves getting priority access to an ICU bed when they may be competing for slots with children and youths. So now they are "Ya'll better get a vaccine!"

The whole use of the term 'infection' is a con if you're basing it on positive PCR test results. Without clinical diagnosis.

Here in Victoria, with the fabulous BGI (B = Beijing) PCR test:

"Any result up to Ct of 40 is considered positive. Cycle thresholds of 40-45 are examined with further testing."

https://health.gov.au/sites/default/file...atform.pdf

NSW run their tests at up to 40 to 45x cycles.

The great Fauci says, in This Week in Virology this month:

“If you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-competent are minuscule.”

Which is backed up by the science.

At a ct of 30, 20% of samples remained positive; at a ct of 35, 3% ; "at a ct above 35, no sample remained positive (infectious) in cell culture.

Other studies suggest a lower cycle threshold number is necessary for some level of validity:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/10/2663/5842165

SARS-CoV-2 Vero cell infectivity was only observed for RT-PCR Ct < 24 and STT < 8 days. Infectivity of patients with Ct > 24 and duration of symptoms > 8 days may be low. This information can inform public health policy and guide clinical...

Kary Mullis himself said 20x (which is 2 to the power of 20 remember) was the maximum that should be used.

Essentially 100% false positives at cycle threshold numbers of 35 or more.

https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests/

Moreover, as the WHO states:

The cycle threshold needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT [Nucleic Acid Technology] technology.

And this is why the pollies get to muck around with our lives at their whim - off the back of an unfit for purpose test, never designed or meant for diagnostic purposes.