CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Not sure what you want to assert [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ , the position you take seems at best arbitrary.

It reads like you assert there are deaths from vaccine that are not counted, and deaths from non-COVID or COVID-Comorbidity that are counted as COVID, you want both sides of the coin to match your call! I'd assert that is a fantasy position, unrelated to the real world.

I'd also revert to [member=324]DJC[/member]‍ point, the reality is that for your assertions to be true the total deaths would have to deviate significantly from the mean, because deaths caused by the COVID-19 vaccines or COVID-19 Comorbidities did not exist 2 years ago and a significant percentage of such deaths can only be "in addition to" not "instead of" other deaths! In areas where COVID-19 is rampant, that deviation is clear, you do no need any statistical tricks, institutional conspiracies or math errors to hide or expose it!

No matter whether you think the COVID-19 numbers are accurate or not, the baseline trends no longer meet the historical data in some regions by orders of magnitude. This is the power of big data.

[kruddler]

In the US, people were reported as dying from Covid despite never actually taking a Covid test.

Are Australians that much more honest than the US?
LP assures me that there is no government coverups and misinformation emanating from the US. Something doesn't add up.

I'm not on any side of the fence here, but as soon as someone posts something contrary to LPs opinion it is easily dismissed as fake news. Who does that remind you of?  :o

[ElwoodBlues1]

Not sure what you want to assert [member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member]‍ , the position you take seems at best arbitrary.

It reads like you assert there are deaths from vaccine that are not counted, and deaths from non-COVID or COVID-Comorbidity that are counted as COVID, you want both sides of the coin to match your call! I'd assert that is a fantasy position, unrelated to the real world.

I'd also revert to [member=324]DJC[/member]‍ point, the reality is that for your assertions to be true the total deaths would have to deviate significantly from the mean, because deaths caused by the COVID-19 vaccines or COVID-19 Comorbidities did not exist 2 years ago and a significant percentage of such deaths can only be "in addition to" not "instead of" other deaths! In areas where COVID-19 is rampant, that deviation is clear, you do no need any statistical tricks, institutional conspiracies or math errors to hide or expose it!

No matter whether you think the COVID-19 numbers are accurate or not, the baseline trends no longer meet the historical data in some regions by orders of magnitude. This is the power of big data.

I'm saying its easy to sign a death certificate by listing other conditions and picking a few as a cause as in the case of older folk as it happens all the time and nobody checks what actually caused the death even though it might have been the vaccine but like I said other conditions listed will be cited as the cause.
A reported death goes to the Coroner and has to be investigated but you wait in line and it could be 12 months or so before the cause is known or no definite cause at all.
How many potential fatal covid vaccine cases do you think would make the coroners list and in turn how many Hospital Registrars and their Grad Doctor teams would just sign the Death Certificate with the usual 3-4 possibilities?

[LP]

You can't defeat the statistics.

If you assert that COVID kills and isn't reported, you can argue these might be people who were otherwise susceptible, and that might well hide or be hard to find in the figures.

But if you claim COVID vaccine kills people here in Australia, that is extra deaths you have to find, but the statistics tell you there is no increase in the death rate.

The stats are not a political opinion, they are not fake news, and they are not lies and more damn lies.

[capcom]

Germany are and were renowned for assigning old age deaths to covid ... they admitted it, even if it was clearly some other pre existing condition.  Convenient

[Mav]

In the US, people were reported as dying from Covid despite never actually taking a Covid test.

In the early days of Covid, hospitals in the US didn’t have enough test kits. Doctors were told to use the kits they had on the living to determine who needed treatment. Consequently, the dead weren’t tested. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t be classed as Covid victims if their symptoms warranted it.

Just because a full autopsy isn’t conducted on someone whose head has been obliterated by a shotgun doesn’t mean the cause of death can’t be attributed to gunshot.

[kruddler]

In the early days of Covid, hospitals in the US didn’t have enough test kits. Doctors were told to use the kits they had on the living to determine who needed treatment. Consequently, the dead weren’t tested. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t be classed as Covid victims if their symptoms warranted it.

Just because a full autopsy isn’t conducted on someone whose head has been obliterated by a shotgun doesn’t mean the cause of death can’t be attributed to gunshot.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, sometimes that's because it's a duck.

[Mav]

And US doctors are good at identifying ducks.

[Thryleon]

Bilateral Pneumonia and Congenital Heart Failure might yield covid like results though.

Likewise, you can have those things, and also die with covid and be listed as a covid death.

There is scope for some rubbery nature of figures there and that depends on what you want the data to show.

[ElwoodBlues1]

In the early days of Covid, hospitals in the US didn’t have enough test kits. Doctors were told to use the kits they had on the living to determine who needed treatment. Consequently, the dead weren’t tested. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t be classed as Covid victims if their symptoms warranted it.

Just because a full autopsy isn’t conducted on someone whose head has been obliterated by a shotgun doesn’t mean the cause of death can’t be attributed to gunshot.

I guess the family of a very healthy person with no family history of blood clots who died a couple of days after their vaccine shot with some new large blood clots on board their body might argue the same thing.