CV and mad panic behaviour

[ElwoodBlues1]

Germany have suspended AstraZ again for under 60s and Spain have dropped it for 80 plus patients giving them Pfizer and Moderna instead.
Think the Germans had 31 cases of rare blood clots in a couple of cities.

[PaulP]

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

[Gointocarlton]

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

Pfizer No of Employees 88,300 Total Equity US65.5B
AstraZenaca No of Employees 76,100 Total Equity US15.6B
probably thats why

[PaulP]

Pfizer No of Employees 88,300 Total Equity US65.5B
AstraZenaca No of Employees 76,100 Total Equity US15.6B
probably thats why

Yes, I kind of suspected something like that. Pfizer has form for dodgy behaviour. I'm not saying that their vaccine is or isn't better, but the only negative things I can find is that after you get the second shot, you may experience headaches or some such. Surely there's more to it than that ? All vaccines can have bad side effects in certain people.

[flyboy77]

Yes, I kind of suspected something like that. Pfizer has form for dodgy behaviour. I'm not saying that their vaccine is or isn't better, but the only negative things I can find is that after you get the second shot, you may experience headaches or some such. Surely there's more to it than that ? All vaccines can have bad side effects in certain people.

They ALL have form for seriously dodgy behaviour.

Sadly, mega fines for these guys are simply another cost of doing business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la...ettlements

And that's the tip of the icerberg given most oversight agencies are inevitably run by ex insiders....

[cookie2]

Also, the EU is involved in a major blue with the UK and AZ over supplies and part of this seems to be trying to make things difficult for AZ by casting doubts.

[LP]

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

EU vs The Rest? :o

It's not really nation wide health authorities doing this, it's more region by region with national politicians blinking. Germany officially it's a couple of districts out of the whole country that's postponed. I would be interested to see how many each entity employs in those regions.

The young women thing is interesting though, there were early reports young women might be at specific risk to COVID-19 if they have some condition related to MS. So I can't help but wonder if there is a coincidence, but as far as I know those concerns were dismissed. As an aside apparently a dose of Influenza is a known trigger of MS, another good reason for girls to get Influenza vaccines!

The mRNA vs Adenovirus vaccine solution is likely irrelevant, because fundamentally if the side-effects are real the J&J vaccine should be identical to AstraZeneca, but you have to always consider genetics as a factor in region to region.

AstraZeneca is doing this at cost, the others not so much!

But I have to say for me the real worry is that AstraZeneca again late today, so overnight Germany time, reports no official reports from the the German health department. That seems odd if you suspend a vaccine citing 31 severe incidents of unexpected side-effects!

btw., The media are being a bit tricky, the 31 cases are not confirmed to be blood clots, the media is using associative wording by reporting 31 cases of side-effects then discussing previous claims of blood clots in separate cases, which the initial reports dismiss in the closing paragraph if you read that far.  So a reader builds that link, and even some secondary reporting has cited blood clots. The official reports as yet give no description of the cases / side-effects.

[madbluboy]

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

Tommy Hearne posted that the jab put Marvin Hagler in hospital and then retracted it after he died.

[madbluboy]

Hearns

[ElwoodBlues1]

EU vs The Rest? :o

It's not really nation wide health authorities doing this, it's more region by region with national politicians blinking. Germany officially it's a couple of districts out of the whole country that's postponed. I would be interested to see how many each entity employs in those regions.

The young women thing is interesting though, there were early reports young women might be at specific risk to COVID-19 if they have some condition related to MS. So I can't help but wonder if there is a coincidence, but as far as I know those concerns were dismissed. As an aside apparently a dose of Influenza is a known trigger of MS, another good reason for girls to get Influenza vaccines!

The mRNA vs Adenovirus vaccine solution is likely irrelevant, because fundamentally if the side-effects are real the J&J vaccine should be identical to AstraZeneca, but you have to always consider genetics as a factor in region to region.

AstraZeneca is doing this at cost, the others not so much!

But I have to say for me the real worry is that AstraZeneca again late today, so overnight Germany time, reports no official reports from the the German health department. That seems odd if you suspend a vaccine citing 31 severe incidents of unexpected side-effects!

btw., The media are being a bit tricky, the 31 cases are not confirmed to be blood clots, the media is using associative wording by reporting 31 cases of side-effects then discussing previous claims of blood clots in separate cases, which the initial reports dismiss in the closing paragraph if you read that far.  So a reader builds that link, and even some secondary reporting has cited blood clots. The official reports as yet give no description of the cases / side-effects.

I thought they were a rare form of blood clot to do with the sinus passages?