CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Are you admitting that its possible that some things, deemed safe by governments etc, could actually have some long term issues that are swept under the carpet!

Question everything!

 No, I was taking the piss!

[kruddler]

No, I was taking the piss!

So you are either admitted that governments and 'scientists' help cover up the negatives of smoking etc....or you are completely naive.

Which one is it?

[LP]

So you are either admitted that governments and 'scientists' help cover up the negatives of smoking etc....or you are completely naive.

Which one is it?

No, I just know you or others will bite after a loss, it's pointless having any serious topics discussed here today!

Of course, scientists are like any sector of society, is no different to any other. But the chains of decision making you imply are corrupt involve thousands if not tens of thousands of people involved, no one or few have enough control to corrupt the process. The globe isn't the USA, and Trump isn't pulling the strings.

The absence of evidence is not a sign of an even greater conspiracy, the QAnon world isn't real!

[LP]

Good on you.

But if you consider the three WTC buildings were brought down by planes you have a very limited understanding of basic physics - and chemistry for that matter.

Another ad hominem attack on a forum poster, who'd have thunk it!

[LP]

Yes, I agree. No human institution or cultural endeavour is infallible, but society has IMO become so bifurcated and partisan that any opinion or belief that doesn't agree with your own is the result of either corruption or incompetence, or both.

One of those bifurcated worlds is fantasy, existing only in damaged minds!

[DJC]

Who would have guessed?

The European Medicines Agency review of the Astrazeneca vaccine found that it is "safe and effective" is "not associated" with a higher risk of blood clots.

Of course, some politicians are still vacillating when they should be vaccinating.

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[cookie2]

Interesting that the efficacy / economics of the Sinopharm vaccine is now being questioned, the politics of biomed heating up again?

I'm almost certain the vast bulk of this speculation, Sinopharm, AstraZeneca, mRNA, etc., etc., will be more about dubious sales techniques than science, if you are having trouble getting a foot in the door spread an anonymous malicious rumour about the opposition!

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[ElwoodBlues1]

Who would have guessed?

The European Medicines Agency review of the Astrazeneca vaccine found that it is "safe and effective" is "not associated" with a higher risk of blood clots.

Of course, some politicians are still vacillating when they should be vaccinating.

An agency that was jointly setup by Big Pharma and has a dubious history of not releasing any research data associated with its findings....not really a surprise they would approve AstraZ.
They were criticized over their handling of the HPV vaccine testing , they allowed drug companies to be their own judges and only the drug companies were allowed access to the research data in a code of secrecy.
They also like employing Big Pharma ex employees.....I would have a dollar or two on that without doing any research..?
https://corporateeurope.org/en/revolving...e-and-well.

I'd be very dubious of any research carried out or the integrity of the process involving the EMA....

[DJC]

An agency that was jointly setup by Big Pharma and has a dubious history of not releasing any research data associated with its findings....not really a surprise they would approve AstraZ.
They were criticized over their handling of the HPV vaccine testing , they allowed drug companies to be their own judges and only the drug companies were allowed access to the research data in a code of secrecy.
They also like employing Big Pharma ex employees.....I would have a dollar or two on that without doing any research..?
https://corporateeurope.org/en/revolving...e-and-well.

I'd be very dubious of any research carried out or the integrity of the process involving the EMA....

Come on EB! 

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is an agency of the European Union (EU) responsible for the scientific evaluation, supervision and safety monitoring of medicines in the EU.  It is probably world's best practice in ensuring independence with a management board of 36 who are completely independent of government and the private sector. 

EMA has seven scientific committees that are drawn from the relevant government agencies of each member country and they rely heavily on networks of scientific experts.  They have relatively few staff and don't employ ex-"big pharma" employees.

The European Ombudsman found that the complaint about EMA's safety review of HPV vaccines was without foundation and its "examination of scientific evidence was complete and it was independent."  Of course, the HPV vaccines have been in widespread use for some time now and are safe and effective.

Pharmacy companies contribute funding for the operation of EMA, as they should.  Why should taxpayers foot the bill for research into the quality, safety and efficacy of human and veterinary medicines?

Finally, the EU legislation that set up the EMA requires it to provide all EU citizens with access to all documents with the exception of personal, sensitive and commercially confidential information - almost exactly the same as our Therapeutic Goods Administration restrictions on releasing information.