CV and mad panic behaviour

[dodge]

Thanks,  LP

[Thryleon]

Thankfully, for an aggressively infectious, highly transmissible mutation this 'quarantine absconding' UK virus doesn't seem to be performing to its dreaded expectations.

It probably needs a few more days in Victoria, but so far, in the places it's escaped from, it doesn't seem to have impacted beyond the initial transmission.

My bullcrap meter is going off the charts with this pandemic.

My gut tells me either these recent cases were false positives or the virus isn't all its cracked up to be.

Why you ask?  Simple.  Someone who gets sick with a virus that is both dangerous and highly infectious doesn't even infect the people who's house he shares.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then....


Thats not take anything away from covid or its threat but I just have real problems with this whole thing. 

[LP]

My bullcrap meter is going off the charts with this pandemic.

My gut tells me either these recent cases were false positives or the virus isn't all its cracked up to be.

Believing the virus is somehow benign because of the consequences of vigilance and swift action seems to be the exact wrong conclusion!

It's a deadly attitude to take into the public arena.

Thryleon, you've already publicly stated the precautions you take yourself having moved through quarantined areas, and you've not had COVID-19 which I presume given you work in health is confirmed by regular testing. You've also confirmed that not everyone you work with is so lucky, were they slack in their diligence?

Hopefully you don't get it, but if you do given your employment you are probably in a privileged position to be detected and treated early! The problem isn't the people who get detected early, or get symptoms and get tested early, the problem will be people who get infected, get symptoms and do nothing about it, typically the incapacitated or the dangerous deniers!

Why are the quarantine workers and their close associates different from yourself? I seriously suspect there are no longer any uniformed individuals in these positions.

What do the associates do for a living, are they aware of their housemate's employment?

How has the infected worker been trained regarding quarantine hygiene?

Perhaps they are just lucky, perhaps he is diligent at maintaining good hygiene, we hear the media reporting he is a model employee in this regard, maybe he used masks and anti-viral hand wash diligently, or perhaps they are just lucky and it's so far so good. Time will tell I suppose, but of course those close contacts are front of the line for detection and treatment now, and that is the real point of the story, the correct order of assessing events!

It's obviously not like a computer virus or a Harry Potter spell, you don't just get it with a click of a button or wave of a wand! Infections take time, disease and death follow infection building over time, weeks and months must pass before confidence can grow!

I've an associate in the UK who commutes daily past what was previously a moderately sized farming lot but is now been converted into a tented compound, a compound full of body bags pending burial, the morticians can't keep pace, he begs to differ about the benign nature of COVID-19. Can you give me a comparative virus that affects our type of city in that typical and very public way?

[madbluboy]

Why did we allow 1000 tennis players and their entourage from numerous covid infested countries from all over the world to come here?

[capcom]

Misplaced prestige and money

[Thryleon]

Believing the virus is somehow benign because of the consequences of vigilance and swift action seems to be the exact wrong conclusion!

It's a deadly attitude to take into the public arena.

Thryleon, you've already publicly stated the precautions you take yourself having moved through quarantined areas, and you've not had COVID-19 which I presume given you work in health is confirmed by regular testing. You've also confirmed that not everyone you work with is so lucky, were they slack in their diligence?

Hopefully you don't get it, but if you do given your employment you are probably in a privileged position to be detected and treated early! The problem isn't the people who get detected early, or get symptoms and get tested early, the problem will be people who get infected, get symptoms and do nothing about it, typically the incapacitated or the dangerous deniers!

Why are the quarantine workers and their close associates different from yourself? I seriously suspect there are no longer any uniformed individuals in these positions.

What do the associates do for a living, are they aware of their housemate's employment?

How has the infected worker been trained regarding quarantine hygiene?

Perhaps they are just lucky, perhaps he is diligent at maintaining good hygiene, we hear the media reporting he is a model employee in this regard, maybe he used masks and anti-viral hand wash diligently, or perhaps they are just lucky and it's so far so good. Time will tell I suppose, but of course those close contacts are front of the line for detection and treatment now, and that is the real point of the story, the correct order of assessing events!

It's obviously not like a computer virus or a Harry Potter spell, you don't just get it with a click of a button or wave of a wand! Infections take time, disease and death follow infection building over time, weeks and months must pass before confidence can grow!

I've an associate in the UK who commutes daily past what was previously a moderately sized farming lot but is now been converted into a tented compound, a compound full of body bags pending burial, the morticians can't keep pace, he begs to differ about the benign nature of COVID-19. Can you give me a comparative virus that affects our type of city in that typical and very public way?

Paraphrasing will get you nowhere.

Neither will anecdotal evidence.

My post isn't aimed at making out covid is benign.  If the guard was so diligent at his processes he wouldn't have gotten infected in the first place, and once he did, its reasonable he would have spread it at least somewhere else.

Thats where this falls over.

You can try and change my argument to make it easier to attack but in this regards you've made a mistake.  You have stated you want evidence, then quote some anecdotal so and so told me from London its full of body bags.  Who cares?  They have a different poem over there and my anecdotal evidence from my brother is quite contrary to what you've stated.  Neither disproves the other and neither is relevant to the price of fish and our recent security guard.

Sometimes you should realise that acknowledging this possibility does nothing to belittle covid nor the pandemic but obviously this point is lost on you.

Too busy trying to be right.  Its a position thats hard to stay in 100% of the time.

I could be 100% wrong but I've raised some very valid criticisms and not one person can say to me that the criticisms are invalidated by so and so.

In fact only if he's a false positive would he have failed to transmit it, and if that's the case the recent threat will be gone in 48 hours.

[DJC]

If the guard was so diligent at his processes he wouldn't have gotten infected in the first place, and once he did, its reasonable he would have spread it at least somewhere else.

Not according to learned epidemiologists. 

The latest explanations are that the virus is capable of airborne transmission, hence the new measure of blocks of vacant rooms in the quarantine hotels.  There's also no reason why the guard may not have been infectious prior to his symptoms and isolation.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Why did we allow 1000 tennis players and their entourage from numerous covid infested countries from all over the world to come here?

Money,  risk vs reward...thats why we cancelled the cricket tour to money poor South Africa but were happy to host the Indians.
Dan wants a bit each way these days and doesnt want the Aus Open Tennis picked up by NSW or Qld.

[Gointocarlton]

Why did we allow 1000 tennis players and their entourage from numerous covid infested countries from all over the world to come here?

Bloody  disgraceful decision.

[Gointocarlton]

Money,  risk vs reward...thats why we cancelled the cricket tour to money poor South Africa but were happy to host the Indians.
Dan wants a bit each way these days and doesnt want the Aus Open Tennis picked up by NSW or Qld.

If there is another serious outbreak because of the AO, he is history.