CV and mad panic behaviour

[LP]

Death Rates
Even worse behaviour still, is when PCR test results are deliberately cross compiled with diagnostic results and / or hospitalisations in an attempt to paint deaths rates as declining. PCR forms just one part of diagnosis, it says test here, to which other tests confirm a case! As the rate of confirmed cases rise, the relative number of hospitalisations to PCR tests will drop, due to PCR testing delivering options for early detection, detection and isolation of asymptomatic spreaders, recovered mild cases, and early intervention. But this is Deaths/PCR test number is misrepresented as declining death rates.

However death rates as a percentage of hospitalisation Deaths/Hospitalisation are pretty much a fixed ratio globally, it's a number reached that point where small local variations do not make much difference because the average is being calculated over such a big figure, and in the absence of strong lock-downs and good social distancing practises there will be more hospitalisations resulting in more deaths.

Even News Ltd have conceded and published the real figures recently, you could have knocked me over with a feather, I suppose they'v lost their biggest fan!

As Europe and the USA burns, the sceptics must be swallowing ground teeth while eating their bomb shelter wheatbix, and how do the "preppers" reconcile the conspiracy given they so readily propagate it before locking themselves down, disappearing regularly then periodically surfacing to post another brace of fake claims and false hypothesis before scuttling underground again! The Internets version of rock-throwers!

[Mav]

It is a big difference given the relative distances and ease of travel access.  Moreover, our comparatively tiny population; i.e. Canada and the United States radically different death rates.  Multitude of reasons

Really? Americans might believe we’re all Crocodile Dundees who walk around in rural areas while kangaroos hop around close by. We know different. About 80% or more of us live in major coastal cities. These cities aren’t greatly different to US cities. Much of their country also has low-density country areas. Hell, the State of Wyoming only has a total population of about 500,000. Initially, the rural-dominated Red States were fairly untouched by Covid but now they’re in it up to their eyeballs.

Maybe Canada handled Covid much better than the US? After all, being a much colder country on the whole, its population was much more likely to congregate inside to take refuge from the snow and wind and the US has found that winter has been a problem for this reason. Maybe Canadians wear masks?

As for the ease of travel access, Australia had considerable tourist and business traffic, including direct flights from China. We had to deal with cruise ships. The ease of travel access is irrelevant. The only issue is whether there was an inflow of people from overseas. The virus has never cared whether those people have had to travel for days, hours or minutes. Once established in a population a small number of cases can explode exponentially. It’s then a question of whether authorities can suppress it successfully. The US has failed spectacularly.

Only Trumpists would try to blame Mexicans for bringing Covid across the border. Their cases came from people flying in from Europe and China to NY and other major cities. The US could have restricted that travel but chose not to do it. Even the China ban was porous as Americans were able to go there and back at will. Some 40,000 people flew in from China after the ban was imposed.

Simply put, pandemics cross water given air and sea travel. Whether it runs rampant depends on the response to it.

[capcom]

We can toss around figures all day .... US have near on 14 times our population, UK more than double.  New York alone 8.5 million. 

[PaulP]

We can toss around figures all day .... US have near on 14 times our population, UK more than double.  New York alone 8.5 million. 

14x the population, but about 260x the covid death rates.

[PaulP]

I agree with Chris Hedges and Richard Wolff - the handling of the pandemic by the US government was a big factor, but the for-profit-only healthcare system is also culpable. The only developed country that doesn't have universal healthcare.

[LP]

It is a big difference given the relative distances and ease of travel access.  Moreover, our comparatively tiny population; i.e. Canada and the United States radically different death rates.  Multitude of reasons

Death rates, as a count of total deaths over the total case count, tends to hover either side of 3%, excluding one or two outlier countries.

Canada is 3.8%
USA is about 2.3%

I suppose when you talk about deaths 1.5% difference could be considered radical, but you have to keep in mind it is an average about a mean that is influenced heavily by reporting standards and politics.

The USA is a bit contrary, because states report differently dependant on politics there is no Federal standard, just like there is no Federal standard for reporting in Australia which is even more ironic given COVID is a Federal responsibility for Australia. ( I know I hear the naysayers, but if you think it's a State issue, ask yourself why the Feds bought vaccines without consulting the states who will basically buy them off the Feds. Maybe they just did it out of the goodness of Frydenberg's heart! ;D )

A good example of variability, if you die from a heart condition because you can't get into a COVID full hospital, some areas report you as a cardiac failure while others report as a COVID death, both are correct but political preferences mean most choose to report one or the other including the deniers. But it's no different than when people fleeing a bush fire die in a car crash, it's a death due to the bush fire and a road fatality. Correct reporting lists both, not one or the other, like falling off the ladder getting out of your burning 2nd story bedroom is a death from fire and ladder fall!

The global average barely deviates from 3% as each new week passes.

The huge variation region to region is deaths per million of population, which is basically a function of intervention strategy over lethality.

[capcom]

Yep LP ... agree with all that

[PaulP]

https://theconversation.com/moderna-foll...nts-149935

[LP]

https://theconversation.com/moderna-foll...nts-149935

COVID treatment looks almost certainly to be administered like Influenza vaccine, so we shouldn't be surprised to find out the vaccination is going to be annual. I suspect this is why Vic is building a new billion dollar production facility, plus the transport/logistical issues. I note when COVID started and the transport restrictions hit very large shipments of Influenza vaccine went bad sitting stuck in transit.

People like Trump and Boris want to be very careful in declaring their immunity to soon, firstly because there are different SARs-CoV-2 strains and there is no direct evidence yet getting one delivers immunity against the others, secondly almost all reputable studies so far have shown a massive decline in anti-body counts over a 4 to 6 month period after any infection. That is on parity with Influenza immunity, which requires annual vaccination to be given at the right moment to get people through the high risk period.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Its back on in Adelaide, Covid panickers hording and sending us back to the dark days when this started.
https://au.yahoo.com/news/got-kidding-co...19274.html