CV and mad panic behaviour

[kruddler]

If you refuse to test suspected covid positive patients then you get zero cases.....but that wouldnt happen in Victorian hospitals
would it?

I don't know if thats gone on, i can guess by your comment, but i was saying as much earlier today.

If you thought you had it now, would you get tested for it or would you just self isolate and pretend like you never had it for the greater good?

[LP]

I don't know if thats gone on, i can guess by your comment, but i was saying as much earlier today.

If you thought you had it now, would you get tested for it or would you just self isolate and pretend like you never had it for the greater good?

So you would potentially roll the dice on your life and / or years of well-being and parenting, hoping that COVID never gets bad for you, so someone can go shoe shopping and get their hair coloured in Sth Yarra!

[Thryleon]

I don't know if thats gone on, i can guess by your comment, but i was saying as much earlier today.

If you thought you had it now, would you get tested for it or would you just self isolate and pretend like you never had it for the greater good?

Thats exactly how we end up back here next year.

I reckon its time to start a poll.  Nearest to the pin.

When does our 3rd wave start? 

[LP]

Thats exactly how we end up back here next year.

I reckon its time to start a poll.  Nearest to the pin.

When does our 3rd wave start? 

 Autumn 2021

[kruddler]

So you would potentially roll the dice on your life and / or years of well-being and parenting, hoping that COVID never gets bad for you, so someone can go shoe shopping and get their hair coloured in Sth Yarra!

Thats a bit extremist.

If you are young, fit and healthy, what is a positive test going to do for you?

I'm not saying i'd do it, but i guarantee a few youngings wouldn't want to know if it could mean taking away their freedom.

This is a byproduct of keeping us in lockdown so long

[DJC]

Couldn't agree more. In particular, the level to which the HUN stoop when pursuing an agenda is simply deplorable.

Breaking up these Oligarch 'empires' is imperative. Especially 'Malcontent Media', News Corp.

Absolutely!

The petition website crashed after being overwhelmed with demand when I attempted to sign.  I persisted and eventually joined the multitude who have signed.

Sadly, Albo won’t support the petition 

And, of course, the Oligarch’s organ is questioning the validity of signatories  ;D

That brings me back to the subject, the Oligarch’s goons repeat the questions because they don’t listen.  They are programmed to follow the Oligarch’s mantra and will not deviate.

[Baggers]

Thats a bit extremist. Maybe so, but it got the point across. Though you do feel deeply for hospitality & tourism... Mrs Baggers and I have made a point of eating out a couple of times a week to help our re-opened restaurants, and our holidays will be within Victoria supporting tourism locations in the process.

If you are young, fit and healthy, what is a positive test going to do for you? Have you seen just how this virus can effect some of our young? Long Covid in parts of the world is very real. A positive test also tells the young one to self-quarantine... wonder how that will work out?

I'm not saying i'd do it, but i guarantee a few youngings wouldn't want to know if it could mean taking away their freedom. 'Freedom' is a fascinating concept, I suggest we're more enamoured with the choice of freedom, as precious few humans on this ball in the sky are truly 'free'. But that's a psychological/philosophical/spiritual discussion for another day.

This is a byproduct of keeping us in lockdown so long. We've all had the shizens with this lockdown at various stages for various reasons. But our (Victoria's) handling of the 2nd wave will be and is a model for many countries... with the exception of guarding quarantined masses in motels, and how to protect our elderly  :

[Professer E]

Albo won't sign it because that's political suicide in this country.  Merde-doch is the kingmaker.

[kruddler]

[member=61]Baggers[/member]
Don't be confused by what i wrote vs what i'd do.

I'm just pointing out what others could/would do.

I know of people have been flaunting the rules already. Further delay would not stop that from happening.

Most of these people are younger people, sure, the virus can hurt young people.....but so can driving drunk/on drugs, so can jumping out of trees, so can *insert stupid things only a younger person would do here*. You see my point?

Eventually there comes a tipping point, the hatred growing towards Dan Andrews is an indication of that. My facebook pages have been littered with rebelious remarks of late in regards to the lockdown. If Dan didn't let us out after zero cases, there would've been riots!

So this goes back to what i was saying before. Given this is how some people feel, would they put there hand up and ruin it for everyone else, or stay quiet and make everyone happy.


Remember back at school when someone did something and the whole class had to stay behind until someone owned up. Eventually the peer pressure would get someone to own up. On the odd occasion you might even get someone taking one for the team and owning up despite not doing anything wrong.

This is the same thing, but in reverse.
You are better off staying silent for the benefit of the group. Putting your hand up and doing the right thing hurts everybody else. If you are trying to do the right thing.....is that putting your hand up, or sucking it up in silence for the benefit of the group? There is no benefit in coming forward, quite the opposite.
Now when there are 100's of cases, it doesn't matter if you come forward.
But when there is only a a couple of cases state wide, what you do has a big impact on a lot of people.
Its a philosophical dilemma.

[LP]

Thats a bit extremist.

If you are young, fit and healthy, what is a positive test going to do for you?

Statistically a disproportionate number of moderate to severe cases in the USA are occurring in 25 to 40 year olds, with about 1/2 of those cases experiencing significant long term effects( aka, long COVID ), it is not all about the elderly as the media like to suggest.

The actually driver of this statistic seems to be healthy young people not going to the the doctor and not being tested early enough when they first experience symptoms, I suppose they are thinking it is an old persons problem and not bad for younger patients, which is exactly as you have suggested you might do to avoid an extension to lock down! :o

Taking one for the team might be quite extreme, so be careful what you ask for!

At this stage there are no similar results reflected broadly in European locations, so it really does seem an attitude makes a difference to the outcome! But it's clear that in locations where available treatment levels are poor, India, Russia, Turkey, etc., etc., the outcome is quite bad regardless of age demographic! Of course naysayers will say death rates are higher in elderly, but long COVID is not something you would wish on anybody as a viable alternative.

Being young and willingly getting tested and treated the outcome seems good, being young and not being diagnosed or rejecting early treatment is bad. I presume nobody rejects late treatment! :o

The media have largely ignored the hypocrisy in the Trump diagnosis and treatment, it isn't like the flu, he was rapidly, radically and aggressively treated when first diagnosed. People should do the very opposite of what he stated and be quite scared and careful, because the vast bulk of general society won't get his treatment no matter how wealthy they may be!