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(08-20-2020, 01:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.
I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?
Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares.... Thalidomide anyone?
(Please do not take offense, I'm not trivialising anything!)
That was probably the highest profile bad batch of untested pharmaceuticals ever produced, and all that was caused by a change in molecule chirality when it flipped from Righthand to Lefthand spiral during manufacture? That is why testing is so so important!
I understand what ScoMo was trying to do, these big foreign entities have the capability to make enough for Australia in just a few weeks. But he ignored the fact that Oxford's R&D is privately funded, and that no deal he can do will change that for Astra Zeneca and other big pharmaceutical companies! Trump offered to buy some of them out and they told him to shove it. ScoMo tried to bully them into a freebie because we do not have the capacity to make the stuff here fast enough!
The Politicians and Social Media Conspiracy Theorists will try to paint Astra Zeneca and others out as the bad guys, but they are spending big dollars placing a bet that they can solve the vaccine problem, and they deserve both the credit and a return on investment, just not a gouging return!
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(08-20-2020, 01:00 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its the proper testing bit thats the problem.....you listen to Dr Nick C last night and he gave me the impression that testing wasnt going to be a high priority when questioned and said everything is being fast tracked.
I dont want some untested vaccine in my system like Russia are going to give to their political prisoners and other second rate citizens. Are people going to be keen to have the first batch of any vaccine rushed through any countries medical system?
Saying all that I'd be buying some CSL shares.... EB it will not happen here, the drug will to be tested as bullet proof for safety and efficacy, not so sure about or Russian friends though.
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(08-20-2020, 02:47 AM)LP link Wrote:Thalidomide anyone?
(Please do not take offense, I'm not trivialising anything!)
That was probably the highest profile bad batch of untested pharmaceuticals ever produced, and all that was caused by a change in molecule chirality when it flipped from Righthand to Lefthand spiral during manufacture? That is why testing is so so important!
I understand what ScoMo was trying to do, these big foreign entities have the capability to make enough for Australia in just a few weeks. But he ignored the fact that Oxford's R&D is privately funded, and that no deal he can do will change that for Astra Zeneca and other big pharmaceutical companies! Trump offered to buy some of them out and they told him to shove it. ScoMo tried to bully them into a freebie because we do not have the capacity to make the stuff here fast enough! CSL can make it fast and how.
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(08-20-2020, 02:53 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:CSL can make it fast and how. We can't even get the glass vials to hold the stuff in, there is a global shortage as a couple of big European companies bought up all the critical sand and glass supplies when COVID broke. Vials are made from a special high purity form of Pyrex, and the sand comes from just one or two fresh water locations on earth.
Brewing a batch is the least of the issues!
Also, 25 million isn't likely to be the number, most vaccines take one dose with one or two boosters if they are lifelong immunisation. If not lifelong you need 25 million every COVID season or a couple of times per year! So just to get started it's probably 50 million, and then there are issues about how you store, transport and administer 50 million does, it's not a trivial problem. For example, after months and months or availability we've still only COVID tested a couple of million! (Actually it's about 4M now, after six months!)
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(08-19-2020, 11:17 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:From what I can tell, many so-called journalists are actually purveyors of propaganda or political activists.
So true, Fluffy One. There was a time when journalism held a deal of esteem... today's journalists, often, are nothing other than those who can get the most 'clicks'. Click bait and how magnetic that bait is, is the only skill required. Integrity and dignity can go and get stuffed, they don't get 'clicks' driven by sensationalism, rumour, exaggeration, embellishment and plain old bullsh1t.
However, if you dig hard enough you will find brilliant and deeply informative journalism in non-mainstream media, journalists motivated by integrity and TRUTH not clicks, not popularity. Some of our greatest literary heroes and heroines have been and are courageous investigative journalists... just gotta dig. And most would rather eat out of supermarket bins than write for News Corp....
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(08-20-2020, 02:52 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:EB it will not happen here, the drug will to be tested as bullet proof for safety and efficacy, not so sure about or Russian friends though. (08-20-2020, 02:52 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:EB it will not happen here, the drug will to be tested as bullet proof for safety and efficacy, not so sure about or Russian friends though. GTC, If there wasnt a whole economy and political landscape riding on it I would believe that but its more than just a health issue now and I'm not so sure the balance is 100% weighted to the safety of the masses.
When I was a kid the Indian Govt went on a sterilization program to keep the population in check, think they might even given away free transistor radios if you had yourself done, lot of people got ill after the procedures both men and women, whole thing was a failure and mess....if ScoMo starts offering Ipods with every jab then run...
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(08-20-2020, 02:56 AM)LP link Wrote:We can't even get the glass vials to hold the stuff in, there is a global shortage as a couple of big European companies bought up all the critical sand and glass supplies when COVID broke. Vials are made from a special high purity form of Pyrex, and the sand comes from just one or two fresh water locations on earth.
Brewing a batch is the least of the issues!
Also, 25 million isn't likely to be the number, most vaccines take one dose with one or two boosters if they are lifelong immunisation. If not lifelong you need 25 million every COVID season or a couple of times per year! So just to get started it's probably 50 million, and then there are issues about how you store, transport and administer 50 million does, it's not a trivial problem. For example, after months and months or availability we've still only COVID tested a couple of million! (Actually it's about 4M now, after six months!) LP, they can make it, they are ready to go (when its ready).
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(08-20-2020, 02:56 AM)LP link Wrote:Brewing a batch is the least of the issues!
To say nothing about the jabs administration and the back office paperwork.
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