Best 22 so far

[Gointocarlton]

Doc isnt a glass man.  He has had all of 2 knee reconstructions in 2 years and before that was in the team pretty much every week.

I rate most of these guys.  Its really hard to put them in our best 22 when the caveat states "when fit".  Someone like Kreuzer is 30 years old and has stayed fit for about half a year every year since he first started breaking down.  That means that he is only best 22 when fit, and most of the time isnt in our best 22.

Lets agree to disagree, my opinion is that all the ones I listed are extremely injury prone and yet we need them to be fit and playing week in week out.

[ElwoodBlues1]

The point is the successful teams have an appropriate balance that they can make use of accordingly, imbalance being the aspect I raised about the earlier team.

FWIW, I think Tom is great at winning the football but his disposal is not damaging like a Dusty or Shuey, some rounds Tom struggled to hit the side of a barn leaving more than 1/2 his efforts wasted!

But I'm not big on the Brownlow as a measure, look at Dangerfield, we know know an effective disposal is anything that goes 50m even if it goes straight to an opponent which is the majority of his disposals go to nobody or to the opposition! Similar to Tom Mitchell!

We aren't free of players like this, as good as he is in my opinion Cripps biggest issue is poor disposal efficiency.

TM goes at 70%DE per game...thats not bad for a supposed ball butcher...Pendlebury who most rate as an ace ball user goes at 75%.....

[LP]

TM goes at 70%DE per game...thats not bad for a supposed ball butcher...Pendlebury who most rate as an ace ball user goes at 75%.....

Be careful of stats, Dangerfield gets a wrap but the stats take his 60m long bombs to nobody as efficient disposals.

I could read all the stats, but coming out of midfield traffic to hit a moving forward target I'd take Pendles over Tom by a long long long way!

How much of Tom's 70% DE are 2m handballs?

[ElwoodBlues1]

Be careful of stats, Dangerfield gets a wrap but the stats take his 60m long bombs to nobody as efficient disposals.

I could read all the stats, but coming out of midfield traffic to hit a moving forward target I'd take Pendles over Tom by a long long long way!

How much of Tom's 70% DE are 2m handballs?

Think TM was No 1 for effective disposals in 2018, as well as clangars so my point is by sheer weight of numbers he is effective so even if he butchers his fair share
the ball is going Hawthorns way more often than not and if TM has the ball then the opposition dont.
He might not be Pendles with the ball but that doesnt mean you can disrespect him like we did and allow him to rack up 45 possies and hand him three brownlow votes...

[flyboy77]

Be careful of stats, Dangerfield gets a wrap but the stats take his 60m long bombs to nobody as efficient disposals.

I could read all the stats, but coming out of midfield traffic to hit a moving forward target I'd take Pendles over Tom by a long long long way!

How much of Tom's 70% DE are 2m handballs?

Sometimes, bombing the ball forward is all that matters...

[LP]

Sometimes, bombing the ball forward is all that matters...

We should now better than most, we've almost had 20 years of it!

[Pratty]

All fit and up and running, I'd go with....

B: Newman, Jones, Marchbank
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: Walsh, Cripps, Setterfield
Hf: Martin, C.Curnow, Gibbons
F: Betts, McKay, McGovern
Foll: Kreuzer, E.Curnow
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Fisher, Petrevski-Seton, Casboult, Newnes

[LP]

All fit and up and running, I'd go with....

B: Newman, Jones, Marchbank
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: Walsh, Cripps, Setterfield
Hf: Martin, C.Curnow, Gibbons
F: Betts, McKay, McGovern
Foll: Kreuzer, E.Curnow
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Fisher, Petrevski-Seton, Casboult, Newnes

I think that 22 is not too bad, I'd probably shuffle a few positions but to me it's a balanced 22.

I think as a pure defender Plowman would be ahead of Marchbank, but if fit, Marchbank playing not as a defender but on a wing or as a running utility type is probably ahead of Plowman. I can see a rotation between Cripps, Marchbank and Setterfield, keeping in mind the rotation doesn't mean they have a midfield rotation, you can probably throw Ed into that rotation.

Just as I can see a clear rotation between Murphy, Gibbons, Walsh, Fisher and SPS/Doc.

[flyboy77]

We should now better than most, we've almost had 20 years of it!

I didn't say always!  :

[JonHenry]

B: Newman, Jones, Williamson
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: Walsh, Cripps, Newnes
Hf: Martin, C.Curnow, Cunningham
F: Betts, McKay, McGovern
Foll: Kreuzer, Setterfield
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Casboult, Kennedy