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(10-06-2019, 09:35 PM)DJC link Wrote:It seems that the players weren’t allowed to see the CBA but could only access a summary. No wonder it wasn’t approved ... and what on earth is the AFLPA up to?
According to Paul Marsh of the AFLPA, there isn’t a CBA document as such. All they have are notes of the negotiating points : 
How on earth are the AFLW players able to make an informed choice on their CBA if the CBA doesn’t exist? Or is Marsh telling porkies?
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My personal opinion.
We discussed this a couple of seasons back, there were clear signs that factions within the AFLW and the AFLPA were putting the $ cart before the horse. They want big dollars now, despite not really generating any income for the sport, at the moment they are a cost and part-timers.
This whole philosophical debate, the idea full-time professionalism has to come before the women's game can be profitable is bogus. Bring the sport at a high level, looking and playing professionally, and the dollars follow, not the other way around.
Unfortunately as I see it, what the AFLW girls need to accept is that those that come after them will benefit from their efforts while they may not. For those currently involved, it's both good and bad time, because they will be foundation members and legends, but they won't profit. I suppose it's no different to Bobby Skilton looking at Buddy Franklin!
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From what I gather, the group of players aren't going against the AFL, they are going against the AFLPA for not representing them properly. Breaking away from the AFLPA or setting up a AFLWPA was seen as an unwanted option.
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(10-07-2019, 01:19 AM)dodge link Wrote:From what I gather, the group of players aren't going against the AFL, they are going against the AFLPA for not representing them properly.
Was Danger was too busy filming a new episode of carpool karaoke, or perhaps too busy advising the MRP on how to suspend Carlton players?
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(10-06-2019, 09:35 PM)DJC link Wrote:At least 30% of the AFLW voted against the CBA.
It seems that the players weren’t allowed to see the CBA but could only access a summary. No wonder it wasn’t approved ... and what on earth is the AFLPA up to?
The AFLPA has its hands tied a little bit.
AFLW doesnt net anywhere near the money required to truly look after the girls best interests in the same way they do the mens (which is to do with many different things including post football payments etc).
They go into bat for the girls too hard, and they risk having to rob Peter (the AFL Men) to pay Paula (the AFL women) and that is in itself a conflict of interest.
I dont see how they can hope to fight for the womens rights at the expense of the mens (which is not a hard choice if you follow business principles, of protecting the bigger generator of money like any other business).
Fundamentally the girls game needs to grow, and whilst I support them fighting for their rights, they need to be mindful that you cannot build Rome in a day.
Once the money starts to flow properly for AFL W for now, they are fighting for the future rights of the competition at the expense of today. Having no settlement suits no one and simply cuts off their nose to spite their face in the long term, but I see why an individual would be that way inclined.
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(10-07-2019, 12:30 AM)LP link Wrote:My personal opinion.
We discussed this a couple of seasons back, there were clear signs that factions within the AFLW and the AFLPA were putting the $ cart before the horse. They want big dollars now, despite not really generating any income for the sport, at the moment they are a cost and part-timers.
This whole philosophical debate, the idea full-time professionalism has to come before the women's game can be profitable is bogus. Bring the sport at a high level, looking and playing professionally, and the dollars follow, not the other way around.
Unfortunately as I see it, what the AFLW girls need to accept is that those that come after them will benefit from their efforts while they may not. For those currently involved, it's both good and bad time, because they will be foundation members and legends, but they won't profit. I suppose it's no different to Bobby Skilton looking at Buddy Franklin!
The disagreement is about the length of the season and has little to do with remuneration. The dissenting group want a longer season.
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(10-07-2019, 04:32 AM)DJC link Wrote:The disagreement is about the length of the season and has little to do with remuneration. The dissenting group want a longer season. Correct.
The wages is not an issue....its not even a debating point.
Its the length of the season for 2020 and beyond.
The AFL has flagged a minimal increase in season length for 2020 (10 rounds instead of 9) and potentially building up to 13 in a few years.
The AFLW players want 13 now and potentially longer in the future.
AFL is not so much opposed to the idea in principle, it is just worried (supposedly) that it will not be able to televise all games (live?), and doesn't want to miss out broadcasting whole games at all.
The longer the season, the more they have to dodge up the fixture to accomodate the AFL/AFLW overlaps and scheduling conflicts. Not only in grounds, but also broadcasting.
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(10-07-2019, 06:47 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Correct.
The wages is not an issue....its not even a debating point.
Its the length of the season for 2020 and beyond.
The AFL has flagged a minimal increase in season length for 2020 (10 rounds instead of 9) and potentially building up to 13 in a few years.
The AFLW players want 13 now and potentially longer in the future.
AFL is not so much opposed to the idea in principle, it is just worried (supposedly) that it will not be able to televise all games (live?), and doesn't want to miss out broadcasting whole games at all.
The longer the season, the more they have to dodge up the fixture to accomodate the AFL/AFLW overlaps and scheduling conflicts. Not only in grounds, but also broadcasting.
Angela Pippos has a theory that AFL wants the AFLW season to start just after the AFL grand final and finish just before the AFL round 1 - 12 months of footy!
I’m not sure whether she’s on the money but it will be a long term goal if she is.
13 weeks makes sense!
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(10-07-2019, 09:12 AM)DJC link Wrote:Angela Pippos has a theory that AFL wants the AFLW season to start just after the AFL grand final and finish just before the AFL round 1 - 12 months of footy!
I’m not sure whether she’s on the money but it will be a long term goal if she is.
13 weeks makes sense!
In an ideal world, sure.
Problem is a lot of the grounds will have a cricket pitch in the middle of it which makes it impossible.
Thats why the AFL doesn't want to expand the season.
Push it later and it cuts into the mens season.
Make it earlier and you have no grounds to play on.
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The added element in length of season is that for the 2020 season there are 2 more teams, but no more games.
Can't agree more with the women - they are being shafted - AFL/PA isn't taking them seriously.
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