Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 20: Carlton vs. West Coast

[shawny]

Agree with most the final margin didn’t represent how easy they held us from the second quarter. They are close to full strength and we needed a healthy list to push them.

Thought Harry tried hard all day and presented well up the ground. His kicking is a worry but can’t fault his effort today.

Cripps drop off in performance when he is payed more respect needs to be sorted. Cant go from a match winner to having no impact the next week. He is our captain and we need consistent performance week in week out. Walsh has been more consistent all year seems to be getting better instead of tapering off and reckon he may pip Cripps At the B&F.  Weitering again gets the toughest job but still wins he position. Love watching him back himself in regardless who he is against.  Finally knows how good he is and plays that way. Deserves to be in AA discussions.

Lang can’t get another contract and is gone. Can’t have blokes like that in the line up. No more chances for him.  Kennedy found it tough today against a well drilled back 6. Had a few good weeks but not going to get any cheap goals and won’t impact against the big boys unless he get more strings to his bow.

Fish has been my biggest disappointment his year. Doesn’t get involved enough has to spend the summer in the gym - Too light to play midfield and is unsighted when he plays forward and doesn’t impact.  Has been very lucky to keep his spot and he imo should join Dow in the 2s.

[JonDorotich]

My WCE companion was staggered we were as bad as we were - commented how he expected a contest - got none really.

With the 6 changes below, you'll get one

1. Cunningham for Lang
2. Stocker for Deluca
3. Jones for Goddard
4. Docherty for Schumacher
5. C Curnow for Kennedy
6. Kreuzer for Phillips

Lang, Deluca, Goddard and Schumacher (at this stage) are VFL at best and Kennedy/Phillips are on the edge.

[Thryleon]

We made too many poor decisions today.  We executed pretty badly at times too.

There were lots of bonus goals given to the eagles.  That simpson free kick was disgusting.  The actions cancelled each other out.  To give a stager a free goal when his team was coasting is simply poor judgement by umpires.

I don't know why they bother with cheapies like that when it's a 6 goal game.  Lacks understanding of what's happening and what the game demands.

I understand that holding players off the ball is a free, and I understand that forwards holding defenders on the goal line is kosher when it wouldn't be any other time.  One of darling's Mark's came because Kennedy was shepherding weitering on the goal line and the ball dropped short.  Weitering was simply trying to attack darling who took an uncontested mark, whilst weitering was not able to get a run at it thanks to Kennedy.  Its accepted that had a carlton player marked it, weitering would have held Kennedy out and that's a free kick.  Why not for weitering in reverse?

The umpires gave west coast a lot of free goals. At half time I had them at 4 goals.  Given it was 9 goals 5, to 6 goals 3, that's a game turning impact.

We weren't going to do much today, but I can't understand how we get so hard done by when we aren't looked after.  One of west coasts goals came on the back of a non free to Murphy in the first quarter.  Head high contact, got pinged for holding the ball, and then a nothing 50 metre penalty.  Its crap.

[sandsmere]

We were garbage.

Soft, lazy, inept bordering on simply stupid for vast chunks of the game. Plenty of bludgers thinking their s#$t doesn't stink....Simmo one of the few shining lights.

Gob smacked that LOB keeps getting a game. miles off the pace....

The delivery into F50 was as bad as anything under Bolton....

our poor ball use killed it (the contest). Made it dead easy for the Weagles to run the ball.

Thought DT got slaughtered tactically. And I saw sfa changes tactically during the game.

The 4 goal margin flattered us greatly.

Apart from 10 minutes in Q1 we were deplorable quite frankly.

Yes.
And they only beat us by 4 goals.

With Daisy and Jones in the side instead of Goddard and Schumaker, we would have beaten them.

We put in a bloody good effort considering the players we were missing I reckon

[flyboy77]

Agree with most the final margin didn’t represent how easy they held us from the second quarter. They are close to full strength and we needed a healthy list to push them.

Thought Harry tried hard all day and presented well up the ground. His kicking is a worry but can’t fault his effort today.

Cripps drop off in performance when he is payed more respect needs to be sorted. Cant go from a match winner to having no impact the next week. He is our captain and we need consistent performance week in week out. Walsh has been more consistent all year seems to be getting better instead of tapering off and reckon he may pip Cripps At the B&F.  Weitering again gets the toughest job but still wins he position. Love watching him back himself in regardless who he is against.  Finally knows how good he is and plays that way. Deserves to be in AA discussions.

Lang can’t get another contract and is gone. Can’t have blokes like that in the line up. No more chances for him.  Kennedy found it tough today against a well drilled back 6. Had a few good weeks but not going to get any cheap goals and won’t impact against the big boys unless he get more strings to his bow.

Fish has been my biggest disappointment his year. Doesn’t get involved enough has to spend the summer in the gym - Too light to play midfield and is unsighted when he plays forward and doesn’t impact.  Has been very lucky to keep his spot and he imo should join Dow in the 2s.

Agree on Fisher.

[flyboy77]

Yes.
And they only beat us by 4 goals.

With Daisy and Jones in the side instead of Goddard and Schumaker, we would have beaten them.

We put in a bloody good effort considering the players we were missing I reckon

It was the equivalent of a 50 point win.

Our midfield went missing, our skills were sub standard as was our decision making.

Bad day at the office granted plus the missing players but still the boys appear to have started to buy into their own hype....

[Micky0]

We made too many poor decisions today.  We executed pretty badly at times too.

There were lots of bonus goals given to the eagles.  That simpson free kick was disgusting.  The actions cancelled each other out.  To give a stager a free goal when his team was coasting is simply poor judgement by umpires.

It wasn’t just the staging, he smacked him in the head moments before as he was running after the ball, past him - and Simmo didn’t like it and retaliated and that’s when he flopped. Shits me that I can see it happen on my couch but the ump standing right there misses that part but then gets sucked into the flop!

[Micky0]

It was the equivalent of a 50 point win.

So tell me, why didn’t they win by 50 if they were just coasting?

Percentage is crucial for those top spots, if we were such easy beats why didn’t they flog us?

Just because we’ve won 5 out of last 8 (two losses in under a goal), doesn’t mean we’re now finals contenders! There is still a lot to fix but what we’re seeing now is we’ve got a lot of talent to work with and the senior players are playing better than they have for seasons.

Did you really think we were going to beat last years premiers, who have built this team and played together for years? A 4 goal loss for us to them after the 2 months we’ve had is bloody unreal - we had two new players, we have deluca who has played SFA, no:

Kruezer
Jones
Daisy

Three of our top 10(?).

Add to that
Charlie
Doc
McGovern

[DJC]

It wasn’t just the staging, he smacked him in the head moments before as he was running after the ball, past him - and Simmo didn’t like it and retaliated and that’s when he flopped. craps me that I can see it happen on my couch but the ump standing right there misses that part but then gets sucked into the flop!

It’s very unlike Simmo to retaliate like that ... and it should have been a 50m penalty to us for Allen’s hit on Simmo if the umpires were fair dinkum.

The result was a reality check but at least we were competitive.

Positives for me were the performances of Goddard, Schumacher and O’Brien. 

Goddard’s first full game for us was serviceable and he showed that he is capable of matching it with the best key forwards.  He is definitely worth retaining as back up for our first choice key defenders.

Schumacher had a tough introduction to AFL and I thought he handled it pretty well.  He showed poise, pretty good decision making and skills.  I think that he could force his way into our best 22 with continued development.

O’Brien seems to be growing in confidence and his footy is improving as a result.  His disposal was better but he still needs to eliminate miskicks.

I piked out on going to the game and watched it on TV with Ms DJC for company.  Her observation that Wet Toast “don’t have any skinny, weedy players” summed up a key difference.

[flyboy77]

So tell me, why didn’t they win by 50 if they were just coasting?

Percentage is crucial for those top spots, if we were such easy beats why didn’t they flog us?

Just because we’ve won 5 out of last 8 (two losses in under a goal), doesn’t mean we’re now finals contenders! There is still a lot to fix but what we’re seeing now is we’ve got a lot of talent to work with and the senior players are playing better than they have for seasons.

Did you really think we were going to beat last years premiers, who have built this team and played together for years? A 4 goal loss for us to them after the 2 months we’ve had is bloody unreal - we had two new players, we have deluca who has played SFA, no:

Kruezer
Jones
Daisy

Three of our top 10(?).

Add to that
Charlie
Doc
McGovern

You're welcome to your opinion Micky, just as I should be...

I have seen every Melbourne game (bar the Dees) and even the Freo game in Perth live.

Yesterday for sure we came up against a good opposition BUT I expected a lot more...irrespective of the outs.

It was a poor effort. Too many players doing the look at me, look at me stuff - and stuffing things up. The team first ethos was out the window.

Way, way too much bombing the ball on the forwards' heads....through the WHOLE game.

Players being slow to react, slow to move it on and slow to present an option to a team mate....and a lot of poor decisions.

Can we play better? Much.

Will we be better against the Tigers? A lot. I think DT would have been disappointed with yesterday's effort (rather than the result per se).