Post Game Passion: 2019 AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs Adelaide

[LP]

............. good at spotting up a loose player......

Plenty of hidden gems in the State leagues if you look hard enough..

That first part is a big part of Teague's success in recent weeks, the question is probably why now, why did it take so long for these blokes to think for themselves? (btw., I don't know about your thoughts on this, but I'm damn certain AFL teams can't significantly change game plans and tactics mid-season, which means we are implementing stuff we've worked on probably since the pre-season and doing it better or just exposing it now!)

The second part is about finding gems which is good if you can pull it off, and I suspect watching the VFL last weekend Cottrell will be another long term bonus. Long term he looks like a Simmo replacement in the Simmo / Hunter mould!

But to keep reality in mind, and reality is in recent weeks the GWS recycled types have shown why they are still playing AFL. Those little failed AFL starts are almost like a filtering mechanism, provided you can cut through the excuses and find the truth about individuals!

SOS needs a pat on the back EB1, we have to give credit where credit is due!

[ElwoodBlues1]

That first part is a big part of Teague's success in recent weeks, the question is probably why now, why did it take so long for these blokes to think for themselves? (btw., I don't know about your thoughts on this, but I'm damn certain AFL teams can't significantly change game plans and tactics mid-season, which means we are implementing stuff we've worked on probably since the pre-season and doing it better or just exposing it now!)

The second part is about finding gems which is good if you can pull it off, and I suspect watching the VFL last weekend Cottrell will be another long term bonus. Long term he looks like a Simmo replacement in the Simmo / Hunter mould!

But to keep reality in mind, and reality is in recent weeks the GWS recycled types have shown why they are still playing AFL. Those little failed AFL starts are almost like a filtering mechanism, provided you can cut through the excuses and find the truth about individuals!

SOS needs a pat on the back EB1, we have to give credit where credit is due!

To some extent but Gibbons was an after thought pick IMO, my main problem was his poor selection of middle age players like Mullet, Shaw, Oshea and his GWS duds.....not sold on Cottrell but is showing more than he did.
We have a had a short injection of Adrenalin under Teague but I'm more a long term investor and need to see sustained success and how players perform when the Teague honeymoon is over.

[flyboy77]

7 week honeymoon EB?

More than that....

[JonHenry]

That first part is a big part of Teague's success in recent weeks, the question is probably why now, why did it take so long for these blokes to think for themselves? (btw., I don't know about your thoughts on this, but I'm damn certain AFL teams can't significantly change game plans and tactics mid-season, which means we are implementing stuff we've worked on probably since the pre-season and doing it better or just exposing it now!)

LP you write stuff like that and expect not to get called on it?

Everyone in the AFL is talking about the changes Teague has made, game plan, tactics and player positions.
The evidence proves it.
The stats are undeniable.

Yet you use the phrase
“which means we are implementing stuff we've worked on probably since the pre-season and doing it better or just exposing it now!”

You say I’m trying to start an argument.

No, I’m just pointing out the incorrect post.

[townsendcalling]

my main problem was his poor selection of middle age players like Mullet, Shaw, Oshea and his GWS duds.....not sold on

Speak to anyone at the club and none of those (and a handful of others) were ever going to create a premiership framework.....we just needed bodies, who weren't kids, to fill a few gaps while we developed our list. If they made it, that's a bonus if the didn't, so be it, we didn't sell the farm.

[Hubba]

I have always been a fan - I would absolutely hate to see him running around in another club's jumper. Carlton supporter as a kid, has stuck it out through the bad times. I really hope the club make him a good offer and he stays.

Probably not a popular opinion but I would be trying to sign him and then asses his Market Value. ( I'm not sure of Free agent status )
He is a 29 year old who is probably in career best form. ( Therefore try and Sell High )

Better off losing him and gaining something of value than losing say a TDK because of limited opportunities.

I hope he stays aswell but I also hope the club does due dilligence.

[madbluboy]

He's an unrestricted free agent, if he goes it will be for nothing.

[LP]

LP you write stuff like that and expect not to get called on it?

Everyone in the AFL is talking about the changes Teague has made, game plan, tactics and player positions.
The evidence proves it.
The stats are undeniable.

Yet you use the phrase
“which means we are implementing stuff we've worked on probably since the pre-season and doing it better or just exposing it now!”

You say I’m trying to start an argument.

No, I’m just pointing out the incorrect post.

You read a sentence and presume a novel.

You can't assume the way they are playing now is something that they hadn't already trained for, but that assumption is implicit in your statement.

Anyone involved in even basic levels of football will tell you how hard it is to break trained habits mid-season, and it certainly doesn't happen in a week. Further the AFL players train more repetitively than part-timers, meaning they have far more retained memory of preferred behaviors.

What are those undeniable stats, and how do the last few weeks compare to the previous 12? But I'll be kind and warn you in advance that you'll have to be very selective to find any significant difference either overall or player by player. The main difference other than the win/loss is that disposal efficiency has improved going inside F50, all the other stats have barely changed a smidgen!

[bratblue]

Training has changed significantly, there's more hands on the footy than mind numbing drills. Its easy to see that its paid off on cleaner ball handling. I notice that the short passes are going lower making it difficult to spoil. We used to be such big turnover merchants now we're not.

[LP]

Training has changed significantly, there's more hands on the footy than mind numbing drills. Its easy to see that its paid off on cleaner ball handling. I notice that the short passes are going lower making it difficult to spoil. We used to be such big turnover merchants now we're not.

You mean Disposal Efficiency, that's the one stat that has changed! :o

We could attribute that to a deliberate change in training, but it's also correlated to the older guys moving back into their traditional roles displacing some of the less efficient kids.

They may well have changed training emphasis from tactics to skills, but that doesn't mean the tactics weren't already being rehearsed. Thinking it has assumes too much and it would be too much change in too short of a time period to come together like it has, it's even a little naive to think it's possible!

It's dead easy to pick a bit of this stat or a bit of that stat and make it a cause when it may just be a correlation. Like fans discussing the change in SoJ, is his current influence a cause of change or an effect of some other change, we don't get to know because we are outside the inner circle.