Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda

[Baggers]

"Carlton President Mark LoGiudice has stated that Carlton have a ‘great list’ this morning on SEN’s Whateley.

Carlton currently sit on the bottom of the ladder with just one win, and have come under fire this season for a number of poor performances...

LoGiudice, however, believes the Blues performances are not a true reflection of their playing list.

“I would say yes because I don’t think you can get any worse results than what we’ve had,” said LoGiudice on whether Carlton has bottomed out this season.

“But again, I don’t think it’s a reflection on our team.

“It’s not a reflection on the list that we’ve got.

“We’ve got a great list that we’ve built."


The above comes from the SEN website, dated July 2018. I haven't changed one word except removing reference to a hiding from St Kilda in the 2nd para.

[Jack Burton]

So just how good is the list? I think this really needs consideration when folks are calling for the coach's head. I keep hearing we have a great list, the players are in place, but we keep losing and playing very ordinary football, therefore it's the coach's fault. Well yes we have a lot of first round draft picks, doesn't mean they are or will become good AFL players. At the moment how many of our players would get a game for a top 8 team?

[flyboy77]

So just how good is the list? I think this really needs consideration when folks are calling for the coach's head. I keep hearing we have a great list, the players are in place, but we keep losing and playing very ordinary football, therefore it's the coach's fault. Well yes we have a lot of first round draft picks, doesn't mean they are or will become good AFL players. At the moment how many of our players would get a game for a top 8 team?

I think we're two quality, mature mids away - an maybe a Kreuzer replacement in the ruck...

Higgins would be massive...in the meantime teach blokes like Dow how to tackle (and kick!)

[townsendcalling]

Interesting tribunal findings:
i.    No fines for any of the melees which we were mostly involved in.
ii.  No sighting for Nick Newman for the massive punch in the guts to someone on the outer wing.
iii.  Luke Dunstan copped $2000 for hitting Gibbons.

The AFL website has footage of both the Gibbons and Casboult incidents (link below).
Note two things
i. Stocker not waiting for any cavalry to arrive, just came straight in and had a real crack at an 85 game player...no hesitation. Loved it (Keep that pick Adelaide, this kid has got something special)
ii. With the Casboult hit, note where Nick Newman comes from to fly the flag.
Two players new to the club, (one with 2 games experience) showing a few others how its done!!

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-27/t...nching-sun

[flyboy77]

Interesting tribunal findings:
i.    No fines for any of the melees which we were mostly involved in.
ii.  No sighting for Nick Newman for the massive punch in the guts to someone on the outer wing.
iii.  Luke Dunstan copped $2000 for hitting Gibbons.

The AFL website has footage of both the Gibbons and Casboult incidents (link below).
Note two things
i. Stocker not waiting for any cavalry to arrive, just came straight in and had a real crack at an 85 game player...no hesitation. Loved it (Keep that pick Adelaide, this kid has got something special)
ii. With the Casboult hit, note where Nick Newman comes from to fly the flag.
Two players new to the club, (one with 2 games experience) showing a few others how its done!!

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-27/t...nching-sun

Agreed wholeheartedly, Stocker will become a bloody good player, maybe more.

[Lods]

So just how good is the list? I think this really needs consideration when folks are calling for the coach's head. I keep hearing we have a great list, the players are in place, but we keep losing and playing very ordinary football, therefore it's the coach's fault. Well yes we have a lot of first round draft picks, doesn't mean they are or will become good AFL players. At the moment how many of our players would get a game for a top 8 team?

It's a pretty good question.
In the "Pick your best 22 thread" ...20 of my 22 played yesterday.
I don't think the list is as flash as some seem to think.

Heaven help us if we have a run of injuries.
We lack depth, and if for any reason Cripps wasn't playing we wouldn't be very special at all. ( That's a moderate way of saying  "in deep strife"...because we're not special now.)

That's not to say that some of the youngsters won't develop into very good players, but some of them are also long way off.

[Baggers]

So just how good is the list? I think this really needs consideration when folks are calling for the coach's head. I keep hearing we have a great list, the players are in place, but we keep losing and playing very ordinary football, therefore it's the coach's fault. Well yes we have a lot of first round draft picks, doesn't mean they are or will become good AFL players. At the moment how many of our players would get a game for a top 8 team?

Assessing the quality of our list is difficult.

Sides doing well seem to have plenty of good players but no matter how badly you're doing, many appear to not be up to it. Pretty ordinary players seem much better in say a Fluffy Ducks or Dawks environment. Sadly, potentially good players can look ordinary playing for a club with a poor culture/discipline.

In our one winning game for the year (thank you Dishlickers for having a down day), SPS, for example, looked a million bucks but in a pressure game you'd think he's playing with the flu - he's not the only one. It's more than reasonable to assume that a strong culture brings out the best in players and a p1ss weak culture ruins development and makes the good seem less than average.

[Thryleon]

There's no major issue with the list.

There's no major problem with the coaching from what I can see as we seem to make mistakes more than play a poor game plan (if that makes sense).

All of it is simply a matter of time.

Most of our best 22 just need a few more pre seasons, and it would be of benefit if our over 100 games would stop breaking down.

[Baggers]

Agreed wholeheartedly, Stocker will become a bloody good player, maybe more.

You can just see his strong character on the field. Reckon SOS has picked up a ripper here. Few other blokes could learn from him re mongrel at the contest.

[Lods]

Assessing the quality of our list is difficult.

Sides doing well seem to have plenty of good players but no matter how badly you're doing, many appear to not be up to it. Pretty ordinary players seem much better in say a Fluffy Ducks or Dawks environment. Sadly, potentially good players can look ordinary playing for a club with a poor culture/discipline.

In our one winning game for the year (thank you Dishlickers for having a down day), SPS, for example, looked a million bucks but in a pressure game you'd think he's playing with the flu - he's not the only one. It's more than reasonable to assume that a strong culture brings out the best in players and a p1ss weak culture ruins development and makes the good seem less than average.

The key word there Baggers is probably' pressure'.
When a side applies real pressure to us things that looked easy will often become difficult and things fall apart, especially skills.