Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda

[Baggers]

How 'bout you explaining the plan?

And there you have it, exactly.

Let the members in on what this strategic plan is. Or is it in tatters, hence the secrecy? Well into the fourth year and on-field is worse. Is this a part of the strategic plan?

[Baggers]

I'm with you Laj. It looks more like Bolton has lost the players. A couple of times yesterday on TV you could see the frustration on Cripps' face on the bench arguing with Docherty.

Saw the same thing (just another of the poor body language signals we've all gotten used to). If you're looking for 'disconnect' it would seem the place is full of it.

[LP]

I'm with you Laj. It looks more like Bolton has lost the players. A couple of times yesterday on TV you could see the frustration on Cripps' face on the bench arguing with Docherty.

Well we made Cripps captain, if it was the wrong choice what do we do now?

[Baggers]

Big chance to land Grundy....

Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony. Adelaide trade our pick 1 to get Grundy and Rottingwood (the arch enemy) get pick 1 courtesy of the CFC.

[LP]

Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony. Adelaide trade our pick 1 to get Grundy and Rottingwood (the arch enemy) get pick 1 courtesy of the CFC.

When you trade advanced picks you just have to wear whatever pans out, Nostradamus was a nobody!

[Tragic]

Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony. Adelaide trade our pick 1 to get Grundy and Rottingwood (the arch enemy) get pick 1 courtesy of the CFC.

trying to be positive....

The pies would rather keep Grundy than get pick 1 in my mind.  He's the best ruck in the comp and their most important player, and could potentially cost them a flag in the next few years if he departs.  They are fair and square in their window, and he's a massive reason.

We get Stocker and another crack at a first rounder, who combined might be more valuable than pick 1.  We could easily win this one still.

The crows - well - they just win.  Try as I might I can't see how they lose this one.  I have decided not to waste my energy on what they get out of it, all that matters is what we get.

[laj]

trying to be positive....

The pies would rather keep Grundy than get pick 1 in my mind.  He's the best ruck in the comp and their most important player, and could potentially cost them a flag in the next few years if he departs.  They are fair and square in their window, and he's a massive reason.

We get Stocker and another crack at a first rounder, who combined might be more valuable than pick 1.  We could easily win this one still.

The crows - well - they just win.  Try as I might I can't see how they lose this one.  I have decided not to waste my energy on what they get out of it, all that matters is what we get.

Think Grundy's up for free agency the year after. And he has made no secret of his wish to go back to Adelaide. Maybe it's pick 1 next year, or bugger all the year after. Also up to Collingwood if they think they can win a flag next year (if they don't win this year), then they might think just keep him and take what ever compo they get the year after.

All theory of course.

[WASurfer]

LP...that wasn't a knock on Cripps and he's the only one with captaincy credentials on our list....by a long, long way. It was more about the fact that the coach and the game plan seem lost on the players at the moment and it's boiling over. If we don't fix it then Cripps will be the next Free Agent we're talking about and no one would begrudge him leaving and heading home to play for someone like West Coast who can offer him the chance to play in a premiership....something we're light years away from. He's busted his @rse for the club since the day he walked in and is virtually carrying us this season.....that's simply not sustainable.

[JonHenry]

Well we made Cripps captain, if it was the wrong choice what do we do now?

Wrong choice?
HTF is Cripps the wrong choice?

[LP]

LP...that wasn't a knock on Cripps and he's the only one with captaincy credentials on our list....by a long, long way. It was more about the fact that the coach and the game plan seem lost on the players at the moment and it's boiling over. If we don't fix it then Cripps will be the next Free Agent we're talking about and no one would begrudge him leaving and heading home to play for someone like West Coast who can offer him the chance to play in a premiership....something we're light years away from. He's busted his @rse for the club since the day he walked in and is virtually carrying us this season.....that's simply not sustainable.

A problem we have at the moment is Cripps opponent, they run off him unhindered, and it's very hard for the captain to tell the kids to chase when he's jogging along behind the play pointing! How good he is otherwise makes no difference when they are all playing in survival mode!

I would not be surprised if that was part of the argy-bargy going down on the boundary! Fwiw, in previous games I've seen Simmo and sMurph having similar arguments with Cripps, SPS and Walsh, that appeared to be about a lack of accountability or poor positioning. I gather there was no argy-bargy with SPS yesterday, at least about his tackling!

In my opinion Doc was a clear choice, but I'd have given a player like Weitering or maybe even Jones the dual captaincy or VC! :o

I think we needed a Maxwell type captain, not an Ablett Jnr messiah type captain, the thing is Cripps has nothing more to give as he already gives 100%, and when he's captain it actually detracts from his game! We needed a captain who can tell a kid, one of Cripps team mates, what's what when they don't fly the flag or give Cripps a chop out. At the moment Cripps would actually have to ask for assistance, and there is no way he will do that, he'll just keep bashing himself against the wall!

All we are doing to Cripps is putting him to the torch, and opposition teams know it! So now we've got a bigger problem, how do we fix it without fecking it up?