Post Game Passion AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda

[Micky0]

We had 4 players in their first or second year at AFL level.
Walsh, Gibbons, Stocker and Dow.

Walsh is always in our best I mean wtf does that show!??

[Baggers]

Update: 4 wins from 42, 1-9.

At this point you must admit the head coach need changing. A look yesterday shows he has no idea. He certainly doesn't seem to have the players playing for him. It's at the point now of being able to admit you are wrong.

Spot on and therein lies a big, big problem, it's the architects of this strategic plan who have to admit that their plan is a failure - ample evidence abounds for the objective of this world, but once again we are reminded that you can never underestimate the power of denial.

The hubris of Mark Loguidice and Brendon Bolton is on show and it aint pretty... (reminiscent of a now former Labor leader in very recent history... stuck to a strategic plan for 6 years - admirable, but also curiously stupid).

[deags]

Walsh is always in our best I mean wtf does that show!??

We made the right choice in keeping pick 1 and the right selection in Walsh?

[Barbs]

Bolton yesterday:
"But you can see very clearly, us as a club, we've got a strategic plan. Players understand that as well. We're unified in that and we're working really hard. We, as a club, are not being dictated to by the outside. We've got our plan. The board, (president) Mark LoGiudice, myself, (CEO) Cain Liddle, (list manager) Stephen Silvagni, (football boss) Brad Lloyd, the playing group … they're all across it.

We've got this plan that we're sticking to and we're unified on it."

My response:
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."
(a quote commonly attributed to Winston Churchill)

[JonHenry]

Walsh is always in our best I mean wtf does that show!??

I think it shows he has more drive than SPS, Fisher, Dow and Cunningham.

Those 4 need an absolute rocket.
They do not get to enough contests.
They don't work together, shepherding or blocking.

[IvanAwfulbigone]

Clarkson is easily the most creative and adaptable coach in the system.  Look how he dismantled GWS 2 weeks ago.

For some reason he is able to put forward a plan and his troops adhere to it.  Who the hell knows why and how he can do it while others can't.  Is it the message? The way it's delivered? The respect he commands?  Or the players?

Compare that to our kick outs yesterday. Reiwoldt made the point on SEN this morning that we were setup for a long kick down the middle but the kickers chose the dinky sideways plays which were easily coralled and the ball then turned over.

Scared to win.

[Lods]

Yes, all true, but the head hunters are out in force, and they won't rest until they claim a scalp. And one in particular.

I understand how you feel Paul, you've been rock solid.
The questions is though...

Do we change nothing and just hope we work our way through it?
It's probably reaching the point where that's not an option.
And there might be a few scalps on the lance.

What's happening right at the moment isn't helping advance the club, it's actually damaging.
Folks aren't being swayed by the talk, they're being influenced by what they see before them on the ground and in results.

People are starting to turn away, passionate supporters who have lost faith in the direction are stating that they're not watching or not attending games.
We're losing generations.
If you're a 10 or 11 year old you wouldn't remember the last time we were any good.
If you're 25 or under you probably wouldn't remember the last time we were great.

That's not just the fault of the current administration but unless they turn it around they will just be another chapter in the sad saga...potentially the saddest because they've made the greatest investment.
While there's life there's hope but there are many things that need action now.

[Baggers]

Bolton yesterday:
"But you can see very clearly, us as a club, we've got a strategic plan. Players understand that as well. We're unified in that and we're working really hard. We, as a club, are not being dictated to by the outside. We've got our plan. The board, (president) Mark LoGiudice, myself, (CEO) Cain Liddle, (list manager) Stephen Silvagni, (football boss) Brad Lloyd, the playing group … they're all across it.

We've got this plan that we're sticking to and we're unified on it."

My response:
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."
(a quote commonly attributed to Winston Churchill)

'Strategic Plan,' it sounds so strong, so authoritative, so in control and all-knowing... you kind of want to fall to your knees and worship the very sound of those two words together. Well, truth is, in reality, many, many, many well thought out 'Strategic Plans' fail, some badly. Smart folks, in a rapidly changing world, adapt, alter and change (oh no, the word 'change'... to be feared and loathed by the fearful) their strategic plan to accommodate the changing landscape. But when there is arrogance and stubbornness you won't find change.

[flyboy77]

Bolton yesterday:
"But you can see very clearly, us as a club, we've got a strategic plan. Players understand that as well. We're unified in that and we're working really hard. We, as a club, are not being dictated to by the outside. We've got our plan. The board, (president) Mark LoGiudice, myself, (CEO) Cain Liddle, (list manager) Stephen Silvagni, (football boss) Brad Lloyd, the playing group … they're all across it.

We've got this plan that we're sticking to and we're unified on it."

My response:
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."
(a quote commonly attributed to Winston Churchill)

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[PaulP]

I understand how you feel Paul, you've been rock solid.
The questions is though...

Do we change nothing and just hope we work our way through it?
It's probably reaching the point where that's not an option.
And there might be a few scalps on the lance.

What's happening right at the moment isn't helping advance the club, it's actually damaging.
Folks aren't being swayed by the talk, they're being influenced by what they see before them on the ground and in results.

People are starting to turn away, passionate supporters who have lost faith in the direction are stating that they're not watching or not attending games.
We're losing generations.
If you're a 10 or 11 year old you wouldn't remember the last time we were any good.
If you're 25 or under you probably wouldn't remember the last time we were great.

That's not just the fault of the current administration but unless they turn it around they will just be another chapter in the sad saga...potentially the saddest because they've made the greatest investment.
While there's life there's hope but there are many things that need action now.

Yes, I have been rock solid, and also boring and repetitious :
- conduct a full audit /review just like the Pies and Tigers
- understand the process in a holistic and contextual manner
- don't repeat the mistakes of the past

My guess is that such an audit review will make similar recommendations to the other clubs. Change up the Assistant coaches, maybe also Bolton needs to fine tune some of his methods, and stick with the plan.

Those of you who are interested, do a google search for "Hardwick sacked" and do another search for "Buckley sacked". Fun times.

And just a little teaser for you :

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/premier...73d0a02d5f