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(05-20-2019, 07:21 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Maybe not this year, but he has shown mongrel at times.
The other thing Nick R said on SEN this morning was about his definition of a brutal game review versus what young newbies think a brutal game review looks like. I assume he is talking about a review on the Thomas and Lyon days. That is , an old school look a player in the eyes and tell him he was s-house, or weak in front of the whole group. Its definitely needed but probably not the done thing these days, or is it?
It doesn't work and it barely happens, I recently had a discussion with a player operating under one of The Pudding Face Twins. I asked the kid if he was scary, he said not at all, most of his aggression is directed at the opposition and media. A flag he flew in the public forum that was very different to the closed doors stuff!
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(05-20-2019, 07:21 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Maybe not this year, but he has shown mongrel at times.
The other thing Nick R said on SEN this morning was about his definition of a brutal game review versus what young newbies think a brutal game review looks like. I assume he is talking about a review on the Thomas and Lyon days. That is , an old school look a player in the eyes and tell him he was s-house, or weak in front of the whole group. Its definitely needed but probably not the done thing these days, or is it?
I think Rooey said that in his own experience and in discussion with current players, the more educational, calmer route is the done thing at most, if not all clubs. If that's true, then I think using it as justification for our efforts in the North and GWS games is a furphy. Otherwise all clubs would have performances like that, which isn't the case.
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(05-20-2019, 07:31 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I think Rooey said that in his own experience and in discussion with current players, the more educational, calmer route is the done thing at most, if not all clubs. If that's true, then I think using it as justification for our efforts in the North and GWS games is a furphy. Otherwise all clubs would have performances like that, which isn't the case.
It's our group demographic, that's all it can be!
Add just one or two kids to a senior list and the game plan can be unraveled, we are adding one or two kids to a group of mostly kids and being forced to do so weekly!
btw., I think our club missed an opportunity to push a very strong point, in that we can partially blame the rule changes regarding the loss of runners for our stalled progress. Our young list is affected disproportionately by this rule change, although I can see why BB doesn't want to provide them with an excuse! The other major part of the blame goes to the scorched earth list policy.
Those two things I'd suggest are the biggest factors and by some margin!
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(05-20-2019, 07:33 AM)LP link Wrote:It's our group demographic, that's all it can be!
Add just one or two kids to a senior list and the game plan can be unraveled, we are adding one or two kids to a group of mostly kids and being forced to do so weekly!
Shhh...You must allow the Carlton Coach Killer Vortex™ to do its thing. It is our way, the Carlton way, and it must not be disturbed as it goes about its business.
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(05-20-2019, 07:35 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Shhh...You must allow the Carlton Coach Killer Vortex™ to do its thing. It is our way, the Carlton way, and it must not be disturbed as it goes about its business.
Sorry wasn't finished! 
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LP....with all due respect we're grasping at straws if we think the change to the runner rule is a major reason for where we're at. Brisbane were in a similar position to us a couple of years ago and down near the bottom. They're now in 4th spot on the ladder on the back of some great young players. Yes they got Neale in but they lost Beams too. We had a chance to get Lyons a couple of years ago as part of the Gibbs deal and we laughed him off.....he'd be a walk up start into our best 18 right now.
Yes we've missed Docherty's leadership down back but we've had Simpson and Thomas as senior players down back for much of the year just as Brisbane have had Hodge. Yes we copped GWS on the rebound but how can you compare what was dished up yesterday with how competitive we were against Collingwood. Similarly, after a good effort against the Hawks, we just simply didn't turn up against North.
Our supporters are getting pretty fed up with the false dawns and the "promise". Results like yesterday set the club back years. A similar performance this weekend against St Kilda and I reckon it's curtains for Bolton.
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Quote:]Results like yesterday set the club back years. [/b]A similar performance this weekend against St Kilda and I reckon it's curtains for Bolton.
That's what all the Bolton - stay the course - types don't factor in....
+ loss of supporters (indeed, a whole generation or more of supporters)
+ loss of sponsors
+ loss of game day revenue (who wants to watch a game if our blokes serve up yesterday's effort?)
+ loss of players who might otherwise see CFC as an option
+ Cripps deciding to go West.
Other than that, Bolts is doing a fine job!
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(05-20-2019, 07:13 AM)LP link Wrote:I think you are sadly mistaken on Marchbank, he's closer to Jane in a Tarzan body, he almost plays bruise free football!
Even for guys like Willo who have shown a bit of aggro, it comes with fitness and form, if you are rooted from chook running and chasing an opponent all over the ground you'll have feck all energy to expend, and with the fatigue the anger fades!
Willo has thinned off a bit and looks like need needs some pasta, spuds and heavy weights but I guess his back issues are probably not conducive to
putting on weight perhaps, but he does have a go back and remains a favourite player of mine for just that reason.
Agree on Marchbank, doesnt really fly the flag in any aggressive way....Himmelberg was pushing him around and he didnt respond at all.
We must have the nicest group of talls too....Krezuer, Harry and Levi, not really inclined to throw their weight around or mess with the likes of Mummy.
I like Stocker and Simpson who will give some cheek back but alas their size is against them .
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In games like yesterday, runners clearly would have made no difference. But in clutch games like the GC or Hawks game.............
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(05-20-2019, 07:30 AM)LP link Wrote:It doesn't work and it barely happens, I recently had a discussion with a player operating under one of The Pudding Face Twins. I asked the kid if he was scary, he said not at all, most of his aggression is directed at the opposition and media. A flag he flew in the public forum that was very different to the closed doors stuff!
That's not my mail. Plenty of brutal honesty from the top coaches when needed, just more strategic. The calm and educational approach is more the norm but don't worry, when coaches see any softness there are intense exchanges. Can you really imagine Clarkson, Buckley, Dimma etc taking it calmly if their side put in a sh1te game? Nuh. A little more circumspect, yes. And don't worry, the Scott boys don't mince words... in fact Brad was told, after a review 2 years ago that he was too soft - and that came from the players.
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