Pre-Game Prattle: AFL Rd 10: Carlton vs St Kilda at Marvel

[Baggers]

Now that's something to play for! 

) ) ) ) an extra incentive... 'come on boys, big win today and we send Brad to the Aints...'

[Baggers]

So assuming that is the case, and wins are not meeting internal expectations, what is the better option :
- sack the coach, and figure out the rest later, or
- conduct a proper audit / review, identify the problems, fix what can be fixed and throw out the rest ?

Well, now I don't think that 'sack the coach' is logically followed by 'figure out the rest later...' You can be very sure that if the club is thinking of replacing BB that they've assessed all options and ramifications beyond that. And if they've given him a few weeks to turn the ship around they would still have assessed options should he fail.

Hopefully, all this is, as I've said before, academic because we 'click' and start winning games and moving up the ladder.

[cookie2]

Well, now I don't think that 'sack the coach' is logically followed by 'figure out the rest later...' You can be very sure that if the club is thinking of replacing BB that they've assessed all options and ramifications beyond that. And if they've given him a few weeks to turn the ship around they would still have assessed options should he fail.

Hopefully, all this is, as I've said before, academic because we 'click' and start winning games and moving up the ladder.

Yep. If the club were really professional their original rebuild plan would even have included in its risk management section what path would be taken should BB not be meeting expectations within a given time frame. After all there was a level of risk present in terms of BB being an untried senior coach at that time?

Anyway, as you say Baggers, "Carn Blues on Sunday" - let's get up for a real confidence boosting and comfortable win.

[kruddler]

I think a bit of concern comes from the fact that while you thought we would be bottom 2 Paul, the messages from the club indicate that they certainly didn't (Bolton, Judd comments, trading of the pick last year for Stocker. He may turn out to be a very good player but probably not Pick 1 or 2).

If a poster on a forum is closer to the mark than the football department, that kind of indicates that we're not totally on top of the situation or at the very least we've slipped off the expected pace.

Cmon Lods, thats a bit naive.

Which footy club has ever come out and said we will be bottom 2 this year?

Bolton has always said he won't put a ceiling on expectations because anything is possible. For him, or anyone within the club, to say otherwise would be....
a) Opposite of what they've said previously.
b) Cause a division within the club due to mixed messages
c) be a red flag to any potential players/free agents coming in
d) be a red flag to any players potentially looking at their options elsewhere.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Cmon Lods, thats a bit naive.

Which footy club has ever come out and said we will be bottom 2 this year?

Bolton has always said he won't put a ceiling on expectations because anything is possible. For him, or anyone within the club, to say otherwise would be....
a) Opposite of what they've said previously.
b) Cause a division within the club due to mixed messages
c) be a red flag to any potential players/free agents coming in
d) be a red flag to any players potentially looking at their options elsewhere.

Bolton has always said he won't put a ceiling on expectations because anything is possible..true...That just an easy get out clause for Bolton, how many years can you pull that for, try doing that in business or a real job and see how long you last....
We dont want the impossible we would be happy with average Joe results, good Managers under promise and over deliver...set a low target of 6 wins, whats he scared of?

[Lods]

Cmon Lods, thats a bit naive.

Which footy club has ever come out and said we will be bottom 2 this year?

Bolton has always said he won't put a ceiling on expectations because anything is possible. For him, or anyone within the club, to say otherwise would be....
a) Opposite of what they've said previously.
b) Cause a division within the club due to mixed messages
c) be a red flag to any potential players/free agents coming in
d) be a red flag to any players potentially looking at their options elsewhere.

Come on kruds. That's a bit naive.
They would never have expected to be 1 and 8. They would not have expected to be sitting last at this stage .

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[crashlander]

CARLTON
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
HB: Caleb Marchbank, Levi Casboult, Dale Thomas
C: Sam Walsh, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HF: Charlie Curnow, Mitch McGovern, Ed Curnow
F: Michael Gibbons, Harry McKay, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Paddy Dow, Zac Fisher
Int: Lachie Plowman, David Cuningham, Liam Stocker, Matthew Kennedy

EMG: Will Setterfield, Harrison Macreadie, Alex Fasolo, Patrick Kerr

IN: Kade Simpson, Lachie Plowman, David Cuningham, Matthew Kennedy

OUT: Marc Murphy (Injured), Harrison Macreadie (Omitted), Lochie O'Brien (Omitted), Will Setterfield (Omitted)

Setters and Macreadie need to find form in the VFL. Both have had long layoffs and need the workouts.

ST KILDA
B: Daniel McKenzie, Nathan Brown, Shane Savage
HB: Callum Wilkie, Josh Battle, Jonathon Marsh
C: Ed Phillips, Sebastian Ross, Jack Newnes
HF: Jack Billings, Josh Bruce, Robbie Young
F: Dean Kent, Tim Membrey, Jade Gresham
R: Rowan Marshall, Jack Steele, Jack Sinclair
Int: Luke Dunstan, Blake Acres, Ben Long, Matthew Parker

EMG: Nick Coffield, Hunter Clark, Billy Longer, Brandon White

IN: Ben Long

OUT: Ben Paton (Managed)

I am amazed that St Kilda are not playing Longer against Kreuzer.  But what do I know?

[laj]

The club has never said, not even in the Green Shoots days of yore, that they expected to lose games, or weren't worried if they lost. No club ever says it, and no club ever will, irrespective of what they may think behind the scenes. Neither Judd, nor Bolton, or anyone else will ever say "we expect to finish bottom 2." I don't know what their internal expectations were.

They said the expectation, when they swapped picks with Adelaide, was that they would rise up the ladder. As judd said, certainly weren't expecting 1-8. Probably wasn't in their worst nightmares.

[PaulP]

They said the expectation, when they swapped picks with Adelaide, was that they would rise up the ladder. As judd said, certainly weren't expecting 1-8. Probably wasn't in their worst nightmares.

And which club would come out and say, "yes we fully expected to be 1-8." ?

[Lods]

And which club would come out and say, "yes we fully expected to be 1-8." ?

It's not a matter of saying it. I can't believe they were expecting it.but you are quite entitled to believe they're deceiving the supporters. I much prefer to believe they're  being frank.