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If Not BB, Who?
(04-18-2019, 01:35 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:What you see there is a continuity that we at Carlton can only dream about.  Not just the on field success, but the off field strategem.  During this time, we have chopped and changed 4 on field coaches, turned over more players that you can poke a stick at, and could turf our 5th coach and once again swing wildly due to people being worried about not achieving enough wins this season to justify the current course of action.
I'm guessing the only people wanting to swing an axe are people on this site and some media types. I'm also guessing (well hoping really) that those that count are rock solid in their strategy and approach to this rebuild. If those at the top and in charge waiver from the plan, we are screwed.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(04-18-2019, 01:41 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I'm guessing the only people wanting to swing an axe are people on this site and some media types. I'm also guessing (well hoping really) that those that count are rock solid in their strategy and approach to this rebuild. If those at the top and in charge waiver from the plan, we are screwed.

Sit in the stands at games and hear what the supporter base say about Bolton....you wouldnt want to have a poll of supporters because it wouldnt be pretty reading.
Most have had enough.....I agree sacking Bolton now wont achieve anything but joe average public supporter wants action, not more cliches and the same tired old answers.
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(04-18-2019, 01:52 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Sit in the stands at games and hear what the supporter base say about Bolton....you wouldnt want to have a poll of supporters because it wouldnt be pretty reading.
Most have had enough.....I agree sacking Bolton now wont achieve anything but joe average public supporter wants action, not more cliches and the same tired old answers.
Really EB? Supporters in the crowd? I'll just leave it at that.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(04-18-2019, 02:14 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Really EB? Supporters in the crowd? I'll just leave it at that.

Members/Supporters are like shareholders, they want a return on their time and money....yep you can leave it but thats
what the Elliott years were about, ignoring joe average and getting them to swallow every line of BS that came out of
Princes Park. The difference with us and the big clubs like a Geelong is that they stop, think and reset, we just keep doing the same thing
waiting for it to turn around, waiting for other clubs to drop off, waiting for Godot to turn up.
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(04-18-2019, 02:26 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Members/Supporters are like shareholders, they want a return on their time and money....yep you can leave it but thats
what the Elliott years were about, ignoring joe average and getting them to swallow every line of BS that came out of
Princes Park. The difference with us and the big clubs like a Geelong is that they stop, think and reset, we just keep doing the same thing
waiting for it to turn around, waiting for other clubs to drop off, waiting for Godot to turn up.

I thought this rebuild was all about doing things differently ?
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(04-18-2019, 02:49 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I thought this rebuild was all about doing things differently ?

We did do things differently in terms of not getting an established coach or favourite son... we took a punt on an untried bloke after a (supposed) rigorous interview process (which means little if the questions were ordinary asked by inexperienced individuals). (Though in 1965 we broke many, many molds recruiting this gun Captain from the Dees to be our senior coach - we were about 3rd bottom when he came, he had us playing finals footy 2 years later and winning a premiership the year after).

As far as hanging in there with a bloke, well we hung in with Pagan for 5 years... so, to break that mold we have to keep BB, regardless of continued failure, for at least 6 or 7 years.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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(04-17-2019, 08:48 AM)PaulP link Wrote:If Buckley the uber perfectionist can let go, I'm sure Bolton can, especially if that's what it takes to keep his job. He's young enough, he's smart enough........

And if that's his biggest problem, then we're sweet.

I sincerely hope you're right. He'd better move quickly, very quickly... those drums we can hear aint coming from Gilligan's Island.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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(04-18-2019, 03:08 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I sincerely hope you're right. He'd better move quickly, very quickly... those drums we can hear aint coming from Gilligan's Island.

I sincerely hope I'm right as well, and not because of ego.

I still maintain that the end of the 2020 season is the time to start a proper discussion, not before.
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(04-18-2019, 02:26 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Members/Supporters are like shareholders, they want a return on their time and money....yep you can leave it but thats
what the Elliott years were about, ignoring joe average and getting them to swallow every line of BS that came out of
Princes Park. The difference with us and the big clubs like a Geelong is that they stop, think and reset, we just keep doing the same thing
waiting for it to turn around, waiting for other clubs to drop off, waiting for Godot to turn up.
Nope. We did, and are doing, exactly that (ie stop, think and reset, probably for the first time in our history). Those in charge now have gone through a due process with every appointment, trade and draft pick. Unlike the scatter gun approach and male appendage comparing of days gone by. Things will go wrong, they always do but it wont be for a lack of planning, research and hard work. That is what has given me the absolute s h i t s pre this regime.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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Well I reckon Godot's got till the end of this season to turn up and show that he knows the right road to the promised land or we 'll be calling another uber.
Reality always wins in the end.
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