Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

[crashlander]

Jones was BOG.

I feel like I have literally watched a replay of every time we've lost to the Swans for the last 10 years.

Our mids refuse to man up for the entire match. Zone / 10-15m away from their opponents and the Swans just chip the ball through us all day.

It was one of the most disappointing matches I think I've ever watched and I include 90+ point hammerings in that. It's like we have no understanding of the most basic elements required to win a game of football. If you're sitting there on the coaching panel watching the way the Swans very simply chipped their way through our team over and over and over and did nothing to stop it - what are you doing there.

Forget talent/age - this has nothing to do with that - it's just effort. If the coaches instruction is to run that extra 10m to shut down the only option the Swans ball carrier has and the player doesn't follow that instruction then the coach should be dragging you and send you to the VFL the next week and finding someone else to do it.

My suspicion is our coaching performance was seriously sub-par. I have practically never criticised Bolton but this game was winnable and I don't know if Bolton knows how to extract the performance required to win a game any more.

The turn-around with Jones is a marvel.
Our inability or unwillingness to pick up the Swans and disrupt their short kicking game lost it for us.
It is one thing to play our style of game, which looked nice when we did it, but we need to disrupt the opposition's style. We haven't learnt to do that yet. I'm not even sure the coaches have learnt that yet.

[WASurfer]

Apologies if I repeat earlier comments (late to the forum) but just another one of those "what if" games and like most here, I'm about over these honourable losses and Bolton's post-game waffling. For mine, he'll be lucky to keep his job until the end of the season. You can spin it all you want but we've won one of our last 34 games....some ridiculous stat I heard mentioned.

For the multitude of high draft pick players we've got, is it just me or are youngsters just not developing quick enough? Would SPS or Zac Fisher be into their 3rd seasons at a Geelong or Hawthorn and still be drifting along? For all of our high end draft picks, I can't think of one player on our list with what you would call "elite" kicking skills...not one! We were positive last year with some of the games by Paddy Dow but how many times did he butcher it yesterday...ditto O'Brien. McKay's contested marking was a highlight but seriously, if you can't kick straight from 15m out directly in front it's a worry. We were damn lucky that Ed Curnow managed to kick a few freakish goals yesterday.

Walsh played another great game but unlikely to get the Rising Star nomination because of Rozee's 5 goal game. But even his kicking let him down at times.

Nothing personal but Polson and Gibbons are not up to AFL standard at the moment. If Polson was playing a defensive forward role, can someone tell me who it was on so I can check if they got over 30 possessions like most of their defenders. Gibbons excited us with 3 goals in that first JLT game but has barely touched it since then and needs to go back to the VFL for now.

If not for Patrick Cripps, the losing margin in the first 3 games would be even higher. I said it last week that if he didn't get support on the inside we'd have no chance and that's exactly how it panned out. He simply cannot do any more for the team and unless we get someone in there to help him, the season will be another nightmare.

Lobbe battled hard but once again the opposing ruckman was close to best on ground. We can't get Kreuzer in there quick enough. For mine, I'd persist with Levi...yes he missed a set shot when we were in with a sniff but his work around the ground was good and he smashed some packs and bowled a few of their blokes over. Once again McGovern did very little until going off injured.

So very frustrating again and it's hard to see where a win is going to come from.

Agree on an earlier comment re Marc Murphy....for an experienced player, he's just not in the games for long enough periods.

One of the few positives was Liam Jones who played a great game and thankfully the umpires aren't falling for some of Buddy's staging antics these days. Jones stayed focused on the job all day.

[blueboys_1]

Does Wallsy sit in the coaches box? Just sayin...
I always thought SOS would've been a good coach. ???

There was an artical in the HS by Mark Robinson. Listed below are some of the points of the artical. Its a god read and if anyone has a login they may like to post some more details.

Not in thre couches box, however he's at the club 3 times a week getting up ay 5.30 am on thoses mornings to be at Ikon park at 7.00am, staying until about 2.30pm. He's at every training session, sometimes on the track with players and oftens sits in on coaches mettings. He also watches VFL games. Walls is to be a sounding board for BB and the other 10 assistant  coaches. He has gained the trust of all coaches, often the assistant  coaches tap him on the shoulder for advice and tap into his knowledge.

[PaulP]

There was an artical in the HS by Mark Robinson. Listed below are some of the points of the artical. Its a god read and if anyone has a login they may like to post some more details.

Not in thre couches box, however he's at the club 3 times a week getting up ay 5.30 am on thoses mornings to be at Ikon park at 7.00am, staying until about 2.30pm. He's at every training session, sometimes on the track with players and oftens sits in on coaches mettings. He also watches VFL games. Walls is to be a sounding board for BB and the other 10 assistant  coaches. He has gained the trust of all coaches, often the assistant  coaches tap him on the shoulder for advice and tap into his knowledge.

If that's his remit, it's more involvement than I had previously imagined, especially being at every training session.  That's a fair workload for a voluntary position.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Apologies if I repeat earlier comments (late to the forum) but just another one of those "what if" games and like most here, I'm about over these honourable losses and Bolton's post-game waffling. For mine, he'll be lucky to keep his job until the end of the season. You can spin it all you want but we've won one of our last 34 games....some ridiculous stat I heard mentioned.

For the multitude of high draft pick players we've got, is it just me or are youngsters just not developing quick enough? Would SPS or Zac Fisher be into their 3rd seasons at a Geelong or Hawthorn and still be drifting along? For all of our high end draft picks, I can't think of one player on our list with what you would call "elite" kicking skills...not one! We were positive last year with some of the games by Paddy Dow but how many times did he butcher it yesterday...ditto O'Brien. McKay's contested marking was a highlight but seriously, if you can't kick straight from 15m out directly in front it's a worry. We were damn lucky that Ed Curnow managed to kick a few freakish goals yesterday.

Walsh played another great game but unlikely to get the Rising Star nomination because of Rozee's 5 goal game. But even his kicking let him down at times.

Nothing personal but Polson and Gibbons are not up to AFL standard at the moment. If Polson was playing a defensive forward role, can someone tell me who it was on so I can check if they got over 30 possessions like most of their defenders. Gibbons excited us with 3 goals in that first JLT game but has barely touched it since then and needs to go back to the VFL for now.

If not for Patrick Cripps, the losing margin in the first 3 games would be even higher. I said it last week that if he didn't get support on the inside we'd have no chance and that's exactly how it panned out. He simply cannot do any more for the team and unless we get someone in there to help him, the season will be another nightmare.

Lobbe battled hard but once again the opposing ruckman was close to best on ground. We can't get Kreuzer in there quick enough. For mine, I'd persist with Levi...yes he missed a set shot when we were in with a sniff but his work around the ground was good and he smashed some packs and bowled a few of their blokes over. Once again McGovern did very little until going off injured.

So very frustrating again and it's hard to see where a win is going to come from.

Agree on an earlier comment re Marc Murphy....for an experienced player, he's just not in the games for long enough periods.

One of the few positives was Liam Jones who played a great game and thankfully the umpires aren't falling for some of Buddy's staging antics these days. Jones stayed focused on the job all day.

Walsh, Dow and Setterfield are not elite field kicks......SPS is the only real legitimate good deliverer of the football we have......even Cripps, Murphy are not great users of the ball by foot.
Fisher is a good kick but he is being tagged more these days and his disposals are often under real pressure..for all our midfield riches we dont have that real silky edge to the group
and we rely on quantity of disposals rather than quality.

[Gointocarlton]

Whoever wrote this, and I don't care who it was, hasn't watched us much and didn't notice much yesterday either.
[1] Jones flogged Franklin in the sort of game that makes you realize just how much he has improved.
[2] Our young mids are better than last year. Not good enough yet, but definitely on the up. Dow, SPS and Fisher to name just three.
[3] Our 3rd string ruck best even with their rucks. Last year it was different.
[4] Has this person ever heard of McKay or Charlie Curnow?

We have our problems, of that there is no doubt. But we are more than a 1 man team, even with Cripps being as good as he is.

As usual Crash, well said Ol Boy

[ElwoodBlues1]

I never thought it was winnable. The Swans are not what they were, but they are still a good side, and will be playing finals for sure. Still virtually the same team that started 2017 0-6 and finished 6th. They only lost 2 of the last 16 games.

I'm flummoxed that people thought this was winnable.

EDIT : both 2017 and 18 they finished with W/L of 14-8.

Paul...they were 0-2 away from home, the difference in the past has been Buddy...enter Jones who does his job ably assisted by Weitering, they have two players injured when the game is still up for grabs.
This was winnable IMO.....

[Barbs]

We were beaten by a team they had 100 more disposals than us. Pretty much all uncontested.

This could have been winnable, but we were easily out coached on game day. Again.

We don’t apply enough pressure around the ground to make a zone defence work. The other clubs know this and just work into the gaps using short kicks and good running patterns.

[slikguy]

We were beaten by a team they had 100 more disposals than us. Pretty much all uncontested.

This could have been winnable, but we were easily out coached on game day. Again.

I have lost all faith I had in BB. I firmly believe he isn’t the coach to take us to the next level. With that’s said I do believe there is still a place for him at the club, just not as head coach.

[Gointocarlton]

We were beaten by a team they had 100 more disposals than us. Pretty much all uncontested.

This could have been winnable, but we were easily out coached on game day. Again.

We don’t apply enough pressure around the ground to make a zone defence work. The other clubs know this and just work into the gaps using short kicks and good running patterns.

If you were coach yesterday, what would you have done different to win us the game?