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(04-04-2019, 08:49 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Really? Do i need to spell it out? I thought i just did.
Sydney have (kinda) recently won a flag, and more recently played off in a grand final. Their style over a long period of time has been using bigger bodied players (mids mainly) and being strong at the contest. Given they have had the ultimate success and been near the top for a while you'd think they are very successful at it.
Alternatively, we have a young, largely inexperienced, smaller bodied list. We are struggling to find our 'style' but being bullies is about as far from our style as you can get given our list makeup.
So given the above, what makes you think we can match them at their own game? Surely we'd be better off trying to beat them in another manner rather than playing to their strengths?
Sydney last won a flag in 2012. We've turned over 8000 players since then. They started last season at 0-6, and like us, have started this season at 0-2.
Who would be in your 22 ?
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Something must be up for Kennedy not to be named an emergency
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(04-04-2019, 08:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Sydney last won a flag in 2012. We've turned over 8000 players since then. They started last season at 0-6, and like us, have started this season at 0-2.
Who would be in your 22 ?
And won a flag the year before Bolton was coach.
Finished 1st in his 1st year as coach.
Haven't missed the finals in 10 years.
Are very consistent.
...and yes, they started 0-6.....and finished 6th.
How are you missing this??
My 22....
Instead Kennedy (in form) allows Murphy to play forward
I'd have kept Garlett, suited to the ideal conditions of Marvel.
Then its a tossup for who takes the last spot, I'd probably reward Jack if fit before giving Obrien a go.
So from the listed team...
In: Garlett, Kennedy (Jack?)
Out: Casboult, Obrien/Ed
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Confused.
Kennedy must be injured again.
Marchbank has no match conditioning.
Meat has been playing as a defender.
Two talls in, one tall out. Two smalls out. One medium in.
Confused.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
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(04-04-2019, 09:16 AM)kruddler link Wrote:And won a flag the year before Bolton was coach.
Finished 1st in his 1st year as coach.
Haven't missed the finals in 10 years.
Are very consistent.
...and yes, they started 0-6.....and finished 6th.
How are you missing this??
My 22....
Instead Kennedy (in form) allows Murphy to play forward
I'd have kept Garlett, suited to the ideal conditions of Marvel.
Then its a tossup for who takes the last spot, I'd probably reward Jack if fit before giving Obrien a go.
So from the listed team...
In: Garlett, Kennedy (Jack?)
Out: Casboult, Obrien/Ed
Forget the abstract collection of facts. In our last three games, we have matched them on the inside. One of those games we actually won, and the other was when Buddy kicked 10.
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2018/11/syd-v-carl
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2017/6/carl-v-syd
https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2017/23/syd-v-carl
I can see merits in your list, but I can also see why the club has made its choice.
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The 'abstract collection of facts' backs up my contention.
Alternatively, you provide..... ?
Swans are ripe for the picking, but picking a side like we did works in their favour, not ours.
Yes, we may have won once against them (in their worst period in 10 years no less) but any club can beat any other on any given day. Cellar dwellers Saints and Swans beat the unbeatable '95 blues for example. An one game, does not constitute a pattern.
Who knows, Casboult may end up with 8 shots and goal and kick them all.
He might end up with 8 shots on goal and kick 4 behinds and 4 out on the full.
He might end up with less than 8 possessions. (....this the most likely option from this list)
Everyone has their chance, but run this game 100 times over with the best 22 picked vs 100 times over with a different 22 (mine for example) and i'd be very surprised if this one wins more than the alternative......and thats my point in a nutshell.
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(04-04-2019, 08:49 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Really? Do i need to spell it out? I thought i just did.
Sydney have (kinda) recently won a flag, and more recently played off in a grand final. Their style over a long period of time has been using bigger bodied players (mids mainly) and being strong at the contest. Given they have had the ultimate success and been near the top for a while you'd think they are very successful at it.
Alternatively, we have a young, largely inexperienced, smaller bodied list. We are struggling to find our 'style' but being bullies is about as far from our style as you can get given our list makeup.
So given the above, what makes you think we can match them at their own game? Surely we'd be better off trying to beat them in another manner rather than playing to their strengths?
I agree. Sydney are very hard to beat when the game is played on their terms.
Would prefer to see us take the match on like we did for 2 quarters last week then try and beat this mob playing a in tight contested contest. They can beat anyone if played on those terms and we are not good enough to try that game plan against them.
Just can’t see us getting the points unless we run ultra hard, take some smart risks when needed and take the game on.
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(04-04-2019, 09:50 AM)kruddler link Wrote:The 'abstract collection of facts' backs up my contention.
Alternatively, you provide..... ?
Swans are ripe for the picking, but picking a side like we did works in their favour, not ours.
Yes, we may have won once against them (in their worst period in 10 years no less) but any club can beat any other on any given day. Cellar dwellers Saints and Swans beat the unbeatable '95 blues for example. An one game, does not constitute a pattern.
Who knows, Casboult may end up with 8 shots and goal and kick them all.
He might end up with 8 shots on goal and kick 4 behinds and 4 out on the full.
He might end up with less than 8 possessions. (....this the most likely option from this list)
Everyone has their chance, but run this game 100 times over with the best 22 picked vs 100 times over with a different 22 (mine for example) and i'd be very surprised if this one wins more than the alternative......and thats my point in a nutshell.
Us vs them is the relevant comparison. If you want to compare our recent overall record to other clubs, we may as well not bother showing up. We have matched them at their own game, and that's the point I'm making.
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(04-04-2019, 08:52 AM)Professer E link Wrote:One of Marchbank or Casboult, not both.
On a side issue, have you checked out the coaches' Northern Player review EB? Some very interesting roles outlined for some younger players, I'd have never considered Owies a medium forward or Stocker a close checking half back. I think that's called....development ? Its just so long since we've had any I'm struggling with the concept.
I did see that review Prof.....wouldnt be my choice to play Stocker half back but he must have shown he needs some education in defending players rather than just being a ball winner.
Owies probably doesnt have a position as yet and starting off down forward on a flank etc isnt a bad way to get exposure to the game without having a lot of responsibility and allows him to have a look
at how the game is played and to pick up the pace.
Obrien had nine contested disposals which is a good sign and maybe why he got picked this week, important year for him and he needs to justify that pick 10 being used on him.
I guess we asked for development/education and thats what Fraser is giving us, I do like that kerr is being used forward and back and I like the way that kid plays his footy...strong/physical and in the old fashioned way you and I both like it.
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(04-04-2019, 08:46 AM)crashlander link Wrote:CARLTON
B: Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman, Kade Simpson
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
C: Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HF: Ed Curnow, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
F: Zac Fisher, Mitch McGovern, Michael Gibbons
R: Andrew Phillips, Will Setterfield, Paddy Dow
Int: Cameron Polson, Caleb Marchbank, Lochie O'Brien, Levi Casboult
Emg: Liam Stocker, Jarrod Garlett, Matthew Lobbe, Jack Silvagni
IN: Caleb Marchbank, Lochie O'Brien, Levi Casboult
OUT: Alex Fasolo (Omitted), Charlie Curnow (Injured), Jarrod Garlett (Omitted)
Perhaps not as quick as I would like, but having Casboult gives us some flexibility and ruck option. O'Brien has been getting the ball, but I'd like him to get more inside ball. I probably wouldn't have played Marchbank without a game in the VFL.
Anyway, this is what we have chosen. How they line up ... who knows?
SYDNEY SWANS
B: Jake Lloyd, Dane Rampe, Callum Mills
HB: Zak Jones, Aliir Aliir, Jarrad McVeigh
C: Oliver Florent, Isaac Heeney, George Hewett
HF: Tom Papley, Lance Franklin, Will Hayward
F: Tom McCartin, Sam Reid, Ben Ronke
R: Callum Sinclair, Luke Parker, Josh P. Kennedy
Int: Nick Blakey, Jackson Thurlow, Harry Cunningham, Jordan Dawson
EMG Lewis Melican, James Rowbottom, Robbie Fox, Ryley Stoddart
IN: Tom McCartin, Jackson Thurlow, Jordan Dawson
OUT: Lewis Melican (Omitted), Colin O'Riordan (Omitted), Ryan Clarke (Omitted)
Swans are tall up forward with McCartin into the team and Blakely still on the bench, think thats why Marchbank got picked...we would have been exposed for size down back.
Swans dont have much size down back either maybe Levi and Harry can work them over..
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