Pre-Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 3: Carlton vs Sydney

[kruddler]

Again, why make him the scapegoat for the whole team's failings?

Plenty of others MIA thus far....

Did i say he was?

I was responding to a question relating to him.

[madbluboy]

Gibbons isn't going to get better in the VFL, he needs a solid run to prove his worth just like we would give any 18 year old we draft.

[Thryleon]

Fasolo, Gibbons and Ed had some clear margin between them and the next worst option.

Ed I don't blame, poorly selected and coached in my opinion, we've taken a borderline A-Grade run with player and turned him into a C-Grade small forward. I can't see a place for him in the team in the current role they have him playing.

Gibbons is just not ready, looks lost and confused, needs time in the system it's that simple.

Fasolo I'm not sure what his problem is, he has all the experience in the world, but jogging behind play like an observer won't fix what is broken. He may well be fit having trained the house down, but he clearly has something going wrong!

A lot of fans lambaste Daisy, but fit or unfit, mentally focussed or not, he always has a crack! That is all we ask, have a genuine crack!

Playing devils advocate all 3 have the exact same problem.

They are all simply doing something a little bit alien to what they are used to.

1.  Fasolo.  Has just joined from the mortal enemy and may be doing what is asked of him but the way that we use the footy, and the actions of others could be contributing to making him look poor when he might be the only one in the right place at the wrong time, and hasn't played AFL footy for a while.  All we can ask for is an upward trend in performance.

2.  Gibbons is still trying to pick up the speed of AFL footy and is improving in this facet.  Using Kane Lambert as a basis for comparison (given size and type of player its a pretty good basis for comparison) we shouldn't expect a lot from him this season.  https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/...mbert.html  His first year was playing a finals bound team surrounded by much more mature recruits, and Lambert didnt exactly set the world on fire from the get go.  In fact he didnt really hit his strides until his third year of AFL footy.

3.  Ed.  Learning a new role he is unsuited to.  Now we can point at that and state that its a bad idea, however, we don't see what that allows us to do up the field.  i.e. playing Ed forward might mean we get more midfield minutes into the likes of Dow, SPS, Setterfield, Fisher.  That is arguably better for the team in the long term, than playing Ed at the coal face and when they can do it for longer, Ed might become proficient (enough) forward to give us a couple of different looks to that resting midfielder.


We are still a work in progress, and are going to be for the next couple of seasons IMHO, and that will only be exacerbated by the retirement of elder statesmen who still make up the bulk of our better performers most weeks.  Until they become Jarrad McVeigh types who are contributers without being key to our teams fortunes, we arent going to be much better than we are now.

[kruddler]

Gibbons isn't going to get better in the VFL, he needs a solid run to prove his worth just like we would give any 18 year old we draft.

Gibbons needs exposure to AFL to go to the next level...as a result he should earn an exemption thus far.
Fasolo knows whats required at AFL, he has experienced plenty. He should not receive the same exemption as a result.

[WASurfer]

Surely Ed Curnow gets a run with role on Josh Kennedy this week? Kennedy was outstanding against Adelaide and will punish us if left to run unchecked. Ed's finishing was never a strong point so not sure why they're trying to make him into a forward option at this stage of his career....the guy can run all day.

[madbluboy]

Gibbons needs exposure to AFL to go to the next level...as a result he should earn an exemption thus far.
Fasolo knows whats required at AFL, he has experienced plenty. He should not receive the same exemption as a result.

I agree with you.

Fasolo should have automatically missed the first 4 games for match fitness and punishment for why he was injured in the first place. I'm not sure how he pushed himself ahead of Jack Silvagni based on his preseason?

My thing is we may as well play him another couple of games and see if it's a fitness issue or he's a dud.

[LP]

Surprise, surprise, sMurph is/was an absentee from training, it wasn't April Fools!

[kruddler]

I agree with you.

Fasolo should have automatically missed the first 4 games for match fitness and punishment for why he was injured in the first place. I'm not sure how he pushed himself ahead of Jack Silvagni based on his preseason?

My thing is we may as well play him another couple of games and see if it's a fitness issue or he's a dud.

Why though?

Why let this experiment play out in the 1's?

If he is NOT a dud, surely we will see from his efforts in the 2's.
If fitness is NOT an issue, surely he will run rings around those in the 2's.

There has been a bit of a push for a while now in regards to players NOT being gifted games. Why is Fasalo being gifted games when playes like SOS and bam bam are tearing it up in the 2's?

[flyboy77]

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-0...in-the-mix

[Thryleon]

Why though?

Why let this experiment play out in the 1's?

If he is NOT a dud, surely we will see from his efforts in the 2's.
If fitness is NOT an issue, surely he will run rings around those in the 2's.

There has been a bit of a push for a while now in regards to players NOT being gifted games. Why is Fasalo being gifted games when playes like SOS and bam bam are tearing it up in the 2's?

Gibbons has just been the VFL equivalent of the Brownlow two years running.  Whats the point of dropping him to the VFL when we already know what he is capable of at that level?

Its clear as day that the issue isn't one particular player but a team synergy issue and that will only improve by making fewer changes to personnell or roles.