JLT Round 2 - Blues v Pies (11 March, Monday holiday)

[JonDorotich]

Some very harsh calls on Simpson, Curnow, Mckay who were all serviceable.

I also didn't think that Garlett was too bad I'd have him in the team well before either of Polson who lacks the ability to finish and Plowman who simply moves too slowly.Plowman is a real concern as he's too slow moving toward the ball and getting the ball to his boot - his actions are all too telegraphed and I'm just not sure if it's possible to train somebody to speed up their body movement after they've been playing footy for so long.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Some very harsh calls on Simpson, Curnow, Mckay who were all serviceable.

I also didn't think that Garlett was too bad I'd have him in the team well before either of Polson who lacks the ability to finish and Plowman who simply moves too slowly.Plowman is a real concern as he's too slow moving toward the ball and getting the ball to his boot - his actions are all too telegraphed and I'm just not sure if it's possible to train somebody to speed up their body movement after they've been playing footy for so long.

Not that impressed with Garlett or Polson...I know we need a small defender with pace but you put either of those two up vs quality and its going to end in disaster IMO.......
Richmond are not the team to be experimenting with either......
Collingwood didnt play DeGoey and used Elliott as a main forward and its a tactic we struggle with IMO.....did the same thing with Sidebottom and Treloar last season.

Plowman is a lock down defender who got lost with the game plan of defending grass least season, then got injured and looks a bit rusty. I think his slowness is more to do with needing game time to pick up the pace of the game, like to see him give the ball off to players like Newman a bit more who can carry and use the footy.

[Professer E]

I'd like to know what  MacGovern is going to do to justify the  fat term contract.  Yet to be impressed.  Not buying the hype.

Dow....  Be prepared for second year blues I reckon.

Biggest concern... The coach.  Game plan and system... When are we going to see some???

[JonDorotich]

Not that impressed with Garlett or Polson...I know we need a small defender with pace but you put either of those two up vs quality and its going to end in disaster IMO.......
Richmond are not the team to be experimenting with either......
Collingwood didnt play DeGoey and used Elliott as a main forward and its a tactic we struggle with IMO.....did the same thing with Sidebottom and Treloar last season.

Plowman is a lock down defender who got lost with the game plan of defending grass least season, then got injured and looks a bit rusty. I think his slowness is more to do with needing game time to pick up the pace of the game, like to see him give the ball off to players like Newman a bit more who can carry and use the footy.

Yes, I’d prefer to see Garlett on a wing, but with Williamson and Docherty on the pine we need somebody with pace to help Newman and Simpson handle opposition small forwards. A combination of Simpson, Thomas & Plowman will be way too slow and if we go with that Castagna, Butler etc will have a field day.

I would have liked to see Stocker trialled in defence during the JLT as he looks to have some size and pace and could do what Carrazzo did when he first came to the blues playing out of the back pocket.

[Jeffy38]

I'd like to know what  MacGovern is going to do to justify the  fat term contract.  Yet to be impressed.  Not buying the hype.

Dow....  Be prepared for second year blues I reckon.

Biggest concern... The coach.  Game plan and system... When are we going to see some???

In the last two games there was more intent than any other year under Bolton tongo thhough the corridor. There has been less side to side than previous years meaning we are moving the ball
Faster. In theory this should mean better entries into our 50 but we aren’t there yet.

Defensive game plan looked good and we’ve also seen a heap
More intercept marking.

Gone are the days of an all encompassing game plan. Different scenarios require different tactics - lots of good progress over the pre season in this regard. As players mature and get fitter execution will improve.

[DJC]

Carlton website:

Best:

Jones, Cripps, Simpson, Petrevski-Seton, McKay, Murphy

Now there’s a discussion point!!!

AFL website:

Best - Cripps, Simpson, Petrevski-Seton, Cuningham, McKay, Jones

I reckon that’s pretty close to the mark.

[LP]

A few things;

Firstly, I can't see us running with one ruck and McKay, it's obvious where McKay does his best work and when you move him out of F50 you are robbing Peter to pay Paul. So I suspect that when the big dance starts dependent on opposition we will in fact have two rucks as well as McKay and McGovern. I don't really count Charlie as he can play anywhere, but I thought the problem was when McKay went into the ruck Charlie, Cripps and McGovern resting at FF didn't work, they just aren't that sort of target. That will make the selection of those around them critical, to balance out the lack of run. Also, we need our small forwards to be far more aggressive at offering the marking targets some chop-outs and blocks, we are still miles behind a team like Nthmond in this regard.

(FWIW, one ruck with a rotating KPF didn't really work for either side.)

Secondly, I hope when the big dance starts the old timers lift their game, excluding Daisy who always gives 100%, the other seniors on our list were the prime offenders in terms of missing targets and turning the ball over. I hope like hell that the problems are not endemic, we need the old blokes setting an example not dragging the kids down! (I can't believe some Carlton fans still want Daisy out, without him we'd self-destruct behind the football! (Daisy's almost our most important player in the absence of a fleet of runners.)

Finally, do not expect too much this season. Despite taking a big step forward in terms of depth and skill our kids are still kids with small AFL bodies. When the heat goes up another level many of them will be easily brushed aside, we looked small and light next to the Filth's men. Which is a worry for blokes like Cripps, Charlie, Kreuzer, Jones, Weitering and McGovern who will have to wear much of the physical heat if we are to progress.

[capcom]

Great summary, especially your Daisy comment

[Thryleon]

I'd like to know what  MacGovern is going to do to justify the  fat term contract.  Yet to be impressed.  Not buying the hype.

Dow....  Be prepared for second year blues I reckon.

Biggest concern... The coach.  Game plan and system... When are we going to see some???

McGovern is going to do something that most of our guys dont.

Kick straight.  Particularly when the pressure is on.

[flyboy77]

A few things;

Firstly, I can't see us running with one ruck and McKay, it's obvious where McKay does his best work and when you move him out of F50 you are robbing Peter to pay Paul. So I suspect that when the big dance starts dependant on opposition we will in fact have two rucks as well as McKay and McGovern. I don't really count Chalrie as he can play anywhere, but I thought the problem was when McKay went into the ruck Charlie, Cripps and McGovern resting at FF didn't work, they just aren't that sort of target. That will make the selection of those around them critical, to balance out the lack of run. Also, we need our small forwards to be far more aggressive at offering the marking targets some chop-outs and blocks, we are still miles behind a team like Nthmond in this regard.

(FWIW, one ruck with a rotating KPF didn't really work for either side.)

Secondly, I hope when the big dance starts the old timers lift their game, excluding Daisy who always gives 100%, the other seniors on our list were the prime offenders in terms of missing targets and turning the ball over. I hope like hell that the problems are not endemic, we need the old blokes setting an example not dragging the kids down! (I can't believe some Carlton fans still want Daisy out, without him we'd self-destruct behind the football! (Daisy's almost our most important player in the absence of a fleet of runners.)

Finally, do not expect too much this season. Despite taking a big step forward in terms of depth and skill our kids are still kids with small AFL bodies. When the heat goes up another level many of them will be easily brushed aside, we looked small and light next to the Filth's men. Which is a worry for blokes like Cripps, Charlie, Kreuzer, Jones, Weitering and McGovern who will have to wear much of the physical heat if we are to progress.

Yet blokes like Newman, Fasolo, Gibbons are also mature bodies. All should be regular starters. Ditto Cuners and SPS (the latter is as slippery as any going around). Philips and Lobbe too.

Plowman is now 24 and hardly a glass man.

Marchbank and Willo? We'll see what the Terrrier can conjure?

So, I don't buy the small body line....plenty of teams with plenty of light framed, young types who go just fine.

A bigger issue imo is the durability of our ruck stocks - all three seem injury prone.

Curnow, MM and big H need to fire up, that would be a good start!