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08-25-2018, 11:22 PM
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My interpretation of the comentary and my own not-so-well-informed observations (of what I had the strength to actually watch) bring me to the conclusion that, whilst we lack forward 50 pressure and options atm and far too few precision entries, this reefs back to our poor midfield performance. This also results in excess pressure on the defence.
Our midfield is nowhere near good enough to push forward quickly due to poor skills that lead to punishing turnovers. We can win the ball alright (in large measure down to Cripps) but its what happens (or doesn't happen!) after that. This cripples us and constrains our ability to mount effective attacks on goal especially our poor F50 pressure because we have to stay further back in an attempt to cover the inevitable errors. Too many imes our F50 entries were just gifting the ball back to the Crows. To make it worse we could not cover the Adelaide spread and we did not tackle anywhere near effectively enough
There are probably plenty of other areas of problems but imo that is the major one. We had Lang, Mullet, Murphy, Kerridge, O'Brian, Wright and Ed Curnow (and some would argue others too) all pretty much ineffective last night - we were not surprisingly slaughtered. We just didn't come close to a competitive AFL grade collective midfield . Result - defence under seige again and tall forwards left just looking on for far too much of the time.
Reality always wins in the end.
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Just hopped on the HS website for the post mortem.
Tough article but fair.
"On a night when the disillusioned few in navy blue who attended were crying out for a four-quarter effort, they instead got surrender."
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/t...9ae36c1f7d
The comments section has been invaded by all the well-wishers of other clubs who are satisfied with our performance this year.
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Quote:How can we expect to move the ball forward when we have 5 players anchored in the back 50 waiting for the switch all the time? That's nearly a third of our players sitting back while the opposition sets up across the ground to outnumber us everywhere else.
As for our defence, the way players just guard space is infuriating. So many times through the season, and especially last night, we saw our guys jog into the spot they've been told to occupy in team meetings only to stand by while the opposition runs harder through all the spaces, works the ball forward with ease and kicks to someone who has managed to 'sneak' back behind our last line of defence to take an easy mark or run onto a loose ball.
Our game plan is broken and our structures and systems don't work. We can bring in all the top end talent and draft picks we like but if we don't improve our skills, work rate and game plan in 2019 we're going nowhere. We have got to abandon the zone in 2019 to play some accountable 1 on 1 footy or at worst, drop just 1 player back loose behind play.
AGree with this. WTF did we continue with that zone defence? It was infuriating sitting up on level 3 watching the turnover occurring 3 kicks before it did. If i can see that as a member sitting up on level 3, what the f*** are that big group of coaches looking at and why are they not changing it??
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I'm happy with the zone style because the coach is expecting them to learn how to play in a way that will win. One on one is for wet days and the bottom leagues. Watch a division one game in local leagues; they play zone.
Its the turnovers that are killing us. We won the inside 50s, which shows we are winning the ball and getting it forward. We then break down and it comes back and we are struggling to get back to position. Playing one one one is not going to improve us much.
One a few occasions this year our approach has worked and we score. Fast ball movement via accurate kicking is very hard to defend. But it requires great skills and being organised and we are struggling to meet these levels.
The coach has high expectations. Good.
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Also I saw plenty of players in our midfield standing back letting Cripps only go in to get the hard ball. I actually recall one bit of play, I think it was Lang or Mullett, standing there as a bystander when Cripps came from elsewhere and got in there. Not good enough, to allow Cripps to do the hard yards every single time.
As an aside, thought Marchy was okay.
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(08-25-2018, 11:07 PM)Barbs link Wrote:The zone was pretty far from solid in 2016 and 2017. If one player, Docherty, missing is all it takes for your defensive structure to fall apart then its a fair indicator that the system isn't particularly robust.
For whatever reason, it doesn't work. The coaches (not just Bolton but all of them) should have seen this already and adapted. But they haven't. It isn't just the backline with Daisy and Simmo though, the zone is a team defence - which is failing because as a team the playing group isn't implementing it.
So yes, that is the job of the coaches (again, not just Bolton). When one of two players continually get things wrong you can blame them. But when an entire playing group isn't running hard you have to look at the coaches. When disposal and skills are woeful across the board, you have to ask what the coaches are doing at training to develop them properly. And finally, when the opposition works out your game plan and thrashes you like this on a number of occasions, you have to question why we stuck with the same game plan each time.
How many coaches do we have to burn before the penny drops ? We've had rookie coaches, experienced coaches, soft coaches, tough old school coaches, yet we are where we are.
We don't have the depth to cover the loss of someone like Doc. Same goes for Cripps. And yet this is the coaches fault ?
Tha coach doesn't just inherit a list. He inherits an entire club, an entire culture. And turning around a culture like ours is a massive club wide undertaking. I'm not suggesting Bolton is blameless, not am I suggesting he's beyond criticism.
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(08-25-2018, 11:25 PM)Vivian link Wrote:I'm happy with the zone style because the coach is expecting them to learn how to play in a way that will win. One on one is for wet days and the bottom leagues. Watch a division one game in local leagues; they play zone.
Its the turnovers that are killing us. We won the inside 50s, which shows we are winning the ball and getting it forward. We then break down and it comes back and we are struggling to get back to position. Playing one one one is not going to improve us much.
One a few occasions this year our approach has worked and we score. Fast ball movement via accurate kicking is very hard to defend. But it requires great skills and being organised and we are struggling to meet these levels.
The coach has high expectations. Good. The mystery though is this - if in moving the ball forward we have nobody to kick it to, how is it we're struggling to get back in position when the ball rebounds? Everybody should already have been back.
Better still, how do the opposition get through our backline and stream towards goal in greater numbers? Our players aren't forward as attacking options and they're not back guarding the defensive 50.
Where exactly are 18 guys wearing navy blue on the field???
My answer (and in agreement with a few other posts) is that our midfield just jogs around setting up the zone. I'll accept Cripps at times running a bit slow as the guy must be stuffed from everything else he does. But the rest of the mids have got to run both ways much, much harder otherwise it just exposes our defenders and leaves our forwards outnumbered.
Either our players aren't ready for the zone yet or the coaches haven't developed an effective one. Either way, we can't stick with it.
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Tim Clarke chopped. More to follow?
BB has about 6-8 games next season to show some real improvement (as reflected by number of wins) otherwise he'll be pushed imo.
Sure, we'l get players back etc etc but so many times this year the lack of effort from so many does suggest the players don't get whatever BB's message is.... the school teacher mantra only goes so far.
God, I trust SOS weaves some magic....
Finals, then 4 in a row!
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(08-25-2018, 11:36 PM)PaulP link Wrote:How many coaches do we have to burn before the penny drops ? We've had rookie coaches, experienced coaches, soft coaches, tough old school coaches, yet we are where we are.
We don't have the depth to cover the loss of someone like Doc. Same goes for Cripps. And yet this is the coaches fault ?
Tha coach doesn't just inherit a list. He inherits an entire club, an entire culture. And turning around a culture like ours is a massive club wide undertaking. I'm not suggesting Bolton is blameless, not am I suggesting he's beyond criticism. When an entire system breaks down, yes it is the coaches that need to be looked at because they are accountable for the entirety of the team's performance. And not just Bolton - all of them.
That doesn't mean sack Bolton - I understand the need for some stability and what you're saying. But there definitely need to be some changes in his support crew and a different game plan in 2019. As some first changes, replace those responsible for skills development, the midfield and fitness. Because whatever they're doing just isn't getting results.
After 2 wins in season and multiple 10 goal thrashings we can't bury our heads in the sand and say everything would have worked out if we just had one player. Docherty is good - but he alone wouldn't have prevented this shipwreck.
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(08-25-2018, 11:44 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Tim Clarke chopped. More to follow?
BB has about 6-8 games next season to show some real improvement (as reflected by number of wins) otherwise he'll be pushed imo.
Sure, we'l get players back etc etc but so many times this year the lack of effort from so many does suggest the players don't get whatever BB's message is.... the school teacher mantra only goes so far.
God, I trust SOS weaves some magic.... Good. As per my last post, this had to happen.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-08...ke-departs
Hopefully making way for Sam Mitchell to take up the position
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