2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

[Thryleon]

[quote='kruddler link' dateline='1532591795']
It doesn't matter what i think it matters what people who watched these kids in the U18's etc thought.

I remember some talk pre-draft abouth those kids.....which i just searched for from knightmare...
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/k....768543/We got him at 18.
We got him at pick 34. Potential top round pick, we got at 34.

[quote]#47 (Richmond) - Luke Mitchell (VIC)
Height: 198cm, Weight: 96kg, DOB: 28/2/1992
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Style: Jonathan Brown
Range: 26-late[
Why: Very strong overhead as well as on the lead. Powerfully built so maybe some questions on upside. Kicking can be a little off but once he gets it going can kick allot of goals. Missed the start of the season due to injury and came back mid way through to have some very strong games including a very strong TAC Cup Grand Final for the second year in a row which I’m sure will reflect favourably! Some think he might still go 1st round or very close to it but I think his draft range is a little more open than that. /quote]
We got him at 42.

We got 3 potentially 1st round KPPs.

The year after missing out on Talia for Lucas.

We were over the moon.
:-[
[/quote]

Not on draft day.

I'm basing this on watching people play football.

Not on pre draft write ups.

None of these guys looked like they belonged in an AFL jumper and it showed on game day (Watson showed glimpses sporadically) but none of them showed the sort of form to even get noticed.

You're better off referencing troy menzel.

He showed more ability than most drafted before him.

[madbluboy]

Most of the ex-player commentators are as weak as p1ss when it comes reportable incidents

I think I'll listen to ex players over dim witted supporters.

[DJC]

I think I'll listen to ex players over dim witted supporters.

So you accepted David King’s statement that Howe’s hit on Cripps was unintentional?

[LP]

So you accepted David King’s statement that Howe’s hit on Cripps was unintentional?

Obviously Cripps was trying to draw a free kick for high contact, he should be suspended for deliberately staging! :

It's ironic, the reporting, the assertions by some in the media that Cripps went down a little too easily, Patrick Cripps folded up, apparently under light physical pressure.

While Joel Selwood apparently got cleaned up by the rampant ex-sling tackling hard-man Bryce Gibbs the week before with a savage hip and shoulder, once you are Carlton in the eyes of the media, you'll always be Carlton. You cannot escape it changing clubs, so you might as well make the most of it! ;D

Let's stop pretending the media isn't biased, and that there are no favorites!

[Professer E]

Off the play as well,  should have been a lot more than two weeks.

[kruddler]

Not on draft day.

I'm basing this on watching people play football.

Not on pre draft write ups.

None of these guys looked like they belonged in an AFL jumper and it showed on game day (Watson showed glimpses sporadically) but none of them showed the sort of form to even get noticed.

You're better off referencing troy menzel.

He showed more ability than most drafted before him.

As i said earlier, i didn't watch them play.
Just like i haven't seen Lukosius play this year. But going by what people have said...

I've had years where i've watched U18's comps and got on top of who has it and who hasn't, but not every year.
That year, i didn't see squat, thats why i remember going around reading what the boys were like. At the time, we clearly got some bargains based on what the majority of predictions were saying.

Question is, were those predictions wrong?
or
Did the carlton put the kiss of death on them like so many before them?

[madbluboy]

So you accepted David King’s statement that Howe’s hit on Cripps was unintentional?

I'll take a 2 time premiership player's word over an internet fan but that's just me.

[Thryleon]

As i said earlier, i didn't watch them play.
Just like i haven't seen Lukosius play this year. But going by what people have said...

I've had years where i've watched U18's comps and got on top of who has it and who hasn't, but not every year.
That year, i didn't see squat, thats why i remember going around reading what the boys were like. At the time, we clearly got some bargains based on what the majority of predictions were saying.

Question is, were those predictions wrong?
or
Did the carlton put the kiss of death on them like so many before them?

This isn't the discussion.  Go back have a look at the post you initially poo pooed. 

[Gointocarlton]

I'll take a 2 time premiership player's word over an internet fan but that's just me.

You're taking the P here about the smack in the jaw to Cripps right?

[kruddler]

This isn't the discussion.  Go back have a look at the post you initially poo pooed.

What i am saying is that right now, we are in the midst of our rebuild. Every kid is a winner right now because, we can't see otherwise.

I've pointed out that this is pretty much always the case when you are 'in the moment'. Its only with hindsight that we say 'this kid was never any good.'


I've tried to show you examples of that, which you disregard because it was not my personal opinion on them. I had no personal opinion on them because i didn't know them from a bar of soap, so i go through and see what the 'experts' thought at the time. That is, those players were not THAT bad.
So either we are incredibly unlucky and all our 'not bad' players turned out to be crap.
OR
We made them crap but not being able to develop them.

This was my original point.
People can't see how any of our players could even possibly turn out to be duds as they are all super amazing and awesome.
I'm just telling you that some will. Reality says they ALWAYS do.