2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

[JonHenry]

Kennedy's stats were interesting. 29 possessions, 15 contested, 7 clearances, 30 pressure acts and a goal. Starting to show why we got him.

So we effectively had 3 x 30 possession mids and got flogged.

Exactly why we should have put a lot more work in to Mitchell.

[LP]

Bit surprised there is no love for Shaw, I thought for a second game he was reasonable early when most of the team around him was rubbish.

[laj]

So we effectively had 3 x 30 possession mids and got flogged.

Exactly why we should have put a lot more work in to Mitchell.

Yes, you don't let regular 40+ possession blokes run around on his own. I'm sure Mitchell would've been expecting Curnow and would've been pleased to see him go to Isaac Smith.

Just thought of the 3 x 30 possession players. We're getting quite a to number of players playing well in games. A number good and number totally $hithouse, nothing in-between.

[LP]

I suppose we had one on the bench at times, it's hard enough tagging Mitchell when you have a full rotation available!

[deags]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the commentators during the game made mention of Mitchell not usually scoring too well in the coaches votes. Like I said not 100% that’s what they said, but fairly sure.
If that’s the case, then I’d suggest most coaches don’t tag him because he doesn’t have 40+ possessions worth if influence on the game… that’s certainly not the case yesterday, but I have seen him rack up possessions in the past for little impact.

[PaulP]

Why do you think they leave him alone?

Answer 1 :

I suppose we had one on the bench at times, it's hard enough tagging Mitchell when you have a full rotation available!

Answer 2 :

It was the same with Ablett at his top, you couldn't stop him anyway and having someone concentrating solely on him meant effectively playing a man short.
The dickhead roughing Cripps up yesterday had little or no effect on his output but Clarkson loves that sort of stuff.

Other answers :
- coaches play follow the leader and just copy each other
- as per Nathan Buckley's comments last season (earlier this season?) his possession don't usually hurt
- Hawthorn has more damaging players than him, and you can't tag everybody
- all of the above

[PaulP]

.................................The dickhead roughing Cripps up yesterday had little or no effect on his output but Clarkson loves that sort of stuff.

Given the sort of rubbish Lamb has dished up, I find it hard to sympathise.

[laj]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the commentators during the game made mention of Mitchell not usually scoring too well in the coaches votes. Like I said not 100% that’s what they said, but fairly sure.
If that’s the case, then I’d suggest most coaches don’t tag him because he doesn’t have 40+ possessions worth if influence on the game… that’s certainly not the case yesterday, but I have seen him rack up possessions in the past for little impact.

He does handball alot so the receiver does the damage for him.

[Thryleon]

Answer 1 :

Answer 2 :

Other answers :
- coaches play follow the leader and just copy each other
- as per Nathan Buckley's comments last season (earlier this season?) his possession don't usually hurt
- Hawthorn has more damaging players than him, and you can't tag everybody
- all of the above

Yep

These days they look at metres gained and score involvements.

There is another factor.  Teams that are man oriented tend to get hurt, because opposition teams can push them into situations they don't like being.

i.e. Tag Mitchell, he simply extracts himself from a position of influence, and out to no mans land where his opponent (Ed) follows him.  As a result, you end up with Isaac Smith going into that hole instead and being just as damaging.


I have a different theory on why they don't tag him.  I think that Hawthorn end up in a worse overall team performance when he gets more of it.

[JonHenry]

Yep

These days they look at metres gained and score involvements.

There is another factor.  Teams that are man oriented tend to get hurt, because opposition teams can push them into situations they don't like being.

i.e. Tag Mitchell, he simply extracts himself from a position of influence, and out to no mans land where his opponent (Ed) follows him.  As a result, you end up with Isaac Smith going into that hole instead and being just as damaging.


I have a different theory on why they don't tag him.  I think that Hawthorn end up in a worse overall team performance when he gets more of it.

Was clearly BOG I thought.
Smashed us and his disposal was fine.
46 Posessions, 2 goals 2 Behinds and 9 tackles.

I reckon Clarkson would be reasonably happy with his output