2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn

[blue4life]

We were right to sack Brittain, Pagan and Malthouse. In hindsight, perhaps not Ratten. Are you saying we should have kept Pagan and Malthouse? We actually paid a heavy price to hanging on to them for too long!

I'm saying that we've been blaming coaches for much deeper seated problems for far too long and that we're in danger of repeating the same mistake.

[cookie2]

I'm saying that we've been blaming coaches for much deeper seated problems for far too long and that we're in danger of repeating the same mistake.

You'd have to think that the problems run a lot deeper than just the coach. If we can't identify the root cause(s) of our predicament we will never get out of it!

[laj]

So a good horse trainer can take a hack running around on the picnic circuit and turn it into a Cup winner?
The bald facts are that of all the players we drafted between 2007 and 2014 only Kreuzer, Rowe, Graham and Cripps are still at the club, and two of those are on borrowed time.
That's effectively 8 years of the draft up in smoke, but somehow it's Bolton's fault that we've bottomed out in 2018.
I don't buy it.

A near winless season is the coach's fault.

I coach athlete's from elite to grass roots. Thee role of good coaching is to get the best out of every athlete whether they win an Olympic medal to simply give their personal best times a good smacking. Hence the job of a coach, horse trainer is to get players to play to their potential. We are far from that. Don't argue that one with me. We are alot better than what we are showing. We have a number of youngsters with alot of ability with enough decent established players to be better than this.

Bet you said the same thing in 2007 as well. We played finals 2 years later. We suddenly found blokes were actually better than what we thought even if alot of them weren't that talented. Maybe because we had the only coach that was half decent since 2000.

[Gointocarlton]

The issue with today wasn't a lack of effort.
We were just outclassed.
The fact that we were able to kick a few goals in a row indicates we were still trying....their effort just dropped off.
Clarkson wouldn't have been happy...and any day that Clarkson isn't happy can't be all bad.

You're right Lods re: outclassed. One passage of play summed it up for me, it was a contest between Breust and Shaw deep in their fwd 50. Triple premiership player versus GC reject, goal to Breust. The gulf in experience was blatantly apparent.

[Baggers]

I'm saying that we've been blaming coaches for much deeper seated problems for far too long and that we're in danger of repeating the same mistake.

I don't think it's either / or. It's both. But hard to tell which is failing more... poor development/skills, or coaching. One thing is for certain and that is we are lacking discipline and game plan understanding.

That's 3 hidings in a row and we see no sign of hurt from the senior coach. That concerns me. It's as if everyone has accepted we're sh1te and everything is pinned on next year being better with new players and less injuries.

I've mentioned it before but I would love an independent assessment/audit of the club. I am confident we're heading in the right direction, but not so confident in terms of the people in charge/driving the new direction.

[blue4life]

You'd have to think that the problems run a lot deeper than just the coach. If we can't identify the root cause(s) of our predicament we will never get out of it!

I think that the root cause is our abysmal recruiting over an extended period which has left us bereft of good quality senior players in the 25 to 30 age group.
The problem is that it can't be fixed in one, two or three years, it's a long process to build a list virtually from scratch.

[ElwoodBlues1]

EB, you may find this amusing:

Scotties is a facial tissue brand originally owned by the Scott Paper Company. Created in 1955, it is noted for its emphasis on softness......................Wikipeadia

Maybe we should be looking for a sponsorship deal??  :o

Cookie,..We should use it for the banner...my money's on the Scotties, our blokes would get bruised going through the banner.... ....er well some might make it through :-X

[cookie2]

@ Jim

How is it Jim that we just seem incapable of getting hold of and sustaining the right coach?? What is stopping us from doing that?

[laj]

You'd have to think that the problems run a lot deeper than just the coach. If we can't identify the root cause(s) of our predicament we will never get out of it!

Last time we had a decent coach, the only one since 2000, we went from a similar basket case to finals in 2 years. You'll be surprised what coaching does. The coach and the recruiter are everything. Look what happen at Port when they swapped from Primus to Hinkley. Horrible to finals in one year.

[ElwoodBlues1]

Last time we had a decent coach, the only one since 2000, we went from a similar basket case to finals in 2 years. You'll be surprised what coaching does. The coach and the recruiter are everything. Look what happen at Port when they swapped from Primus to Hinkley. Horrible to finals in one year.

Ok Jim, before you sneak off to Europe who do we replace Bolton with and do we continue with the rebuild as is or do we need to reset the rebuild?...