2018 Rd 14; Pre Game Preparations: Carlton vs Collingwood

[flyboy77]

I don't think a 5pt statistical shift is significant by any means, and I fully expect that if Murphy's mindset is correct modern sports medical technology is more than adequate to extend his career significantly. He could easily become our next Jarryd Waite given the right environment, why not still at Carlton!

Certainly I think if Daisy can return to some decent form from his ills, so can Murphy.

So for me it's not about ability or output, the differences there are barely worth a mention, they can even be written off as a change of role. The real debate about the likes of Murphy, Rowe and Simmo is more of a philosophical issue!

Would Daisy's form in 2018 get him a spot in any other AFL (senior) team?

I think not.

[LP]

Would Daisy's form in 2018 get him a spot in any other AFL (senior) team?

I think not.

It would certainly get him on a list somewhere not unlike Waite or Laidler.

[Thryleon]

I don't think a 5pt statistical shift is significant by any means, and I fully expect that if Murphy's mindset is correct modern sports medical technology is more than adequate to extend his career significantly. He could easily become our next Jarryd Waite given the right environment, why not still at Carlton!

Certainly I think if Daisy can return to some decent form from his ills, so can Murphy.

So for me it's not about ability or output, the differences there are barely worth a mention, they can even be written off as a change of role. The real debate about the likes of Murphy, Rowe and Simmo is more of a philosophical issue!

I'm not talking statistics I'm talking ability to get on the Park and play a high standard of footy.

He's a chump change player.  He won't be hunted he'll be taken. 


I've stuck up for Murphy more than most on here and it's time to accept that he's yesterday's hero.

[pew2]

We need to apply Pressure this week starting from our fwd line  90 tackles  And is there any chance we get back and crowd there fwd line for a change

[madbluboy]

I'm not talking statistics I'm talking ability to get on the Park and play a high standard of footy.

He's a chump change player.  He won't be hunted he'll be taken. 


I've stuck up for Murphy more than most on here and it's time to accept that he's yesterday's hero.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratin...lub/CD_T30

Click on Murphy and look at his graph.

[northernblue]

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratin...lub/CD_T30

Click on Murphy and look at his graph.

Is that rating per game played or per season ?

[Thryleon]

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratin...lub/CD_T30

Click on Murphy and look at his graph.

Exactly my point.

Combine that with his age and injury profile and you wouldn't actively hunt this player unless you're a club like north Melbourne looking for a bargain pick-up you can sell to your supporters as a big name player.


I'm worried he'll never consistently perform at a high level ever again.

[LP]

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratin...lub/CD_T30

Click on Murphy and look at his graph.

Click on Riloi's graph HERE

Murphy is miles ahead! ;D

All the systems have a inherent bias to certain types of player or on-filed act, which is why choosing any one system is so heavily floored. The AFL system plummets if a player is injured, they effectively lose points for not playing.

Despite the AFL ratings, Murphy is the only Carlton player listed consistently in the AFL's top 100 no matter who reports them and what rating system they use, and nobody would think he's more influential than Cyril Rioli!

Your friend junk time Eddie has them comfortably covered by the same measure!

The systems are biased, but not as biased as the people that pick and choose which one they want to report!

[northernblue]

Ok, it’s as I suspected, it’s a moving ranking for every game possible... Rioli has played 4 games for 39 disposals, but those disposals and thus rankings are spread over 12 matches, how many games has Murphy played this year ?
Obviously a better ranking is per match played.

Edit: Murphy 4 games 2018 and 104 disposals

[Thryleon]

Don't let any of this make you think I dislike Murphy.  I think he would help us immensely.

My worry is that he isn't able to because of where he is at, and where we are at in terms of needing a bigger stronger type rather than a smaller classier type who cannot physically help spread the load.  We need our kids to be helped by senior players and in Murphy's case it's more vice versa.

We all know the score.  Losing Gibbs hurt us in ways that losing Murphy doesn't because Gibbs is more multi faceted and although Murphy's a better player when he's up and running.