2018 Rd 8: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Essendon

[BluePhantom]

I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall any of those instances, and I don't recall of any of those being a single player being smacked and crashed into for an entire game.

So if all's fair in love and multi billion dollar entertainment, I guess there won't be any complaints on here when this sort of garbage is meted out to any of our young stars and leaders ?

i seem to remember Greg Williams running around with a bulls eye target on the back of his jumper :o

[Hubba]

This is very much a head v heart proposition for mine. Given his age, injury history etc., given that we now have two younger guys in Lobbe and Phillips who are arguably better as "pure" ruckmen, plus TDK, plus the obligatory part timers (Casboult etc.), my head understands that there is some merit to this idea.

But deep down, I feel Krooz is such a heart and soul player, and as Navy Blue as it is possible to be. And still playing good footy. I really couldn't bear to see him in any other colours. That would really drive a massive dagger right between the right and left ventricle.

If I was running the joint, I'm just not sure I would have the coglioni to do it.

Krooz is not as Navy Blue as possible and if he didn't fail a fitness test at Collingwood he would be wearing Black and White.

So he stayed but I agree that he is does give 100% heart and soul and effort for the jumper everytime he runs out and you can't ask for much more than that.

[LP]

I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall any of those instances, and I don't recall of any of those being a single player being smacked and crashed into for an entire game.

Of course back in the "good old days", there was less niggle and the very first hit was somewhat more substantial. Like Yeates on Brereton or Matthews on Bruns!

As Carlton supporters we should nopt forget The Hyphen's threats against Brereton, or Diesel's treatment of The Hyphen!

So if all's fair in love and multi billion dollar entertainment, I guess there won't be any complaints on here when this sort of garbage is meted out to any of our young stars and leaders ?

Of course we will complain, and they have already been targeted, like Marc Murphy's first game against the Lions.

But we will cheer when someone like Ablett Jnr gets worked over by a Robbo or Curnow!

[Lods]

I'll take your word for it, but I don't recall any of those instances, and I don't recall of any of those being a single player being smacked and crashed into for an entire game.

So if all's fair in love and multi billion dollar entertainment, I guess there won't be any complaints on here when this sort of garbage is meted out to any of our young stars and leaders ?

I have a feeling that down the track there will be some restrictions put on players being targeted for entire games.
Actually, if the rules are applied 'to the letter' there are are dozens of times in a game when a free kick can be awarded for these tactics.

The thing is though ...I remember when Murphy was targeted earlier on, and we've seen what happened with Mills.... and Goddard on the weekend.
The 'shame' wasn't directed on the attacker....it was directed on the team-mates and their failure to support the player being targeted.
After the Mills incident the Swans made a bit of a commitment to one another that it wouldn't happen again and gained a bit of strength through that.
That's what I'd be looking for if it happened to our players.
That's one way you stop it.
If opposition teams get away with that tactic it highlights a weakness in your commitment to one another.

[LP]

After the Mills incident the Swans made a bit of a commitment to one another that it wouldn't happen again and gained a bit of strength through that.
That's what I'd be looking for if it happened to our players.
That's one way you stop it.
If opposition teams get away with that tactic it highlights a weakness in your commitment to one another.

x2, this is exactly the way I see it.

It's one of the problems we have at the moment, because in the absence of Rowe and ACoS our kids have been targeted and nobody is standing up to the opposition. I think it's a much bigger reason for our poor start to the season than people admit! I was very happy to see Casboult taking a few of them on in Kreuzer's absence, that is what we needed from the big lug 5 years ago! Until recently without Rowe or ACoS, and with Kreuzer out, Cripps was getting hammered trying to defend everyone on his lonesome.

One of the things we really liked last season was the bit of aggro Williamson and Macreadie brought to the games, and it made others like Weitering and Charlie stand up! When ACoS came in we saw a natural increase in aggression and pressure around the opposition ball carriers.

I'll never forgive the likes of Tuohy and Henderson for the lack of care they showed towards team-mates. When they were themselves targeted they expected support, when team-mates were targeted they jogged quietly past!

I can't wait to see what The Big Loper can deliver in a year or two when he's fed up of being targeted. He'll be intimidating and impressive!

[PaulP]

The 3 sports in which I take a keen interest, AFL, soccer and tennis, all have aspects which I consider to be blights on the game. There is no doubt in my mind that if these aspects were removed, the game would be better. 

I see this targeting issue as being much the same. Remove it, and the game becomes better.

This game will always have a strong element of physicality - it's a contact sport, so even with current rules, which some consider to be a little tiggy touchwood, there is plenty of tough stuff and bravery to keep the punters happy.

We must free ourselves of historical justifications and rationalizations. Just because something has existed  for some time, it doesn't make it good in the current context, and it doesn't mean a change isn't a change for the better. 

There is nothing tough about targeting a player, and most especially since most of the players targeted are the soft targets. Nobody would dare do that to Hodge, Jono Brown etc. It's always the babies (Mills), the sooks (Goddard), the brittle ones (Sicily) etc.

What I want to see in terms of controlling and limiting the influence of top players is what Ben Jacobs did to Dusty on the weekend.  Now that's class and a genuine victory IMO

[PaulP]

i seem to remember Greg Williams running around with a bulls eye target on the back of his jumper :o

Yes, whilst Diesel is no angel, Sean Denham is a sh1thead. This is another example of the sort of crap I'm talking about.

[PaulP]

Krooz is not as Navy Blue as possible and if he didn't fail a fitness test at Collingwood he would be wearing Black and White.

So he stayed but I agree that he is does give 100% heart and soul and effort for the jumper everytime he runs out and you can't ask for much more than that.

I think he simply wanted a longer term contract with less restrictions. In essence we were treading a little more cautiously than the Pies. In the end, I suspect the contracts were similar, but with us the value equalled (or roughly equalled) the Pies offer only if Krooz played x number of games. At least that's how I read it. He failed a fitness test at both the Dogs and Pies, so maybe we were justified in our stance, and maybe Krooz saw that in the end. I'm not sure whether any of this makes him True Blue, 75% Blue, 20% Blue etc. In the wash up, it may not even matter.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/coll...jngh7.html

[Lods]

Has given 100% in every game I've seen him play (even when injured) and that's all that matters to me.
When he's done and dusted I'll remember him fondly

[cookie2]

Has given 100% in every game I've seen him play (even when injured) and that's all that matters to me.
When he's done and dusted I'll remember him fondly

Agree. He's as Blue as it's possible to be in this era of money and commercialism imo.