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(05-02-2018, 12:35 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Baggers we have certainly suffered from that culture in the past as evidenced by events. However I believe that the current reset is a genuine attempt to move on from that.
Is it working? Don't know yet.
Are we confident that the current board will continue to support it? I don't think they have any choice, they have publicly committed via statements made by The Judge.
Are others, the "old Carlton" style vultures, looking on for an opportunity for a putsch in the meantime? Probably, don't know for sure. Don't think this would happen before the end of 2019 and only then if insufficient improvement/progress is evident. Maybe the AFL would step in?
What will happen if this reset is judged to have failed at end 2019? Don't really know - it is possible we could descend back into chaos, I shudder to think - I don't really want to contemplate what I think would be many more years in the wilderness as a result.
Totally agree. My only concern would be McKay, SOS and Mathieson don't bring any of the 'old Carlton' with them. With the exception of Mathieson/Pratt, I like the look of our Board, seems they're heading in the right direction re embracing the necessary change. But as you and others have quite rightly said, only time will tell. I remain cautiously optimistic.
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(05-02-2018, 11:23 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Totally agree. My only concern would be McKay, SOS and Mathieson don't bring any of the 'old Carlton' with them. With the exception of Mathieson/Pratt, I like the look of our Board, seems they're heading in the right direction re embracing the necessary change. But as you and others have quite rightly said, only time will tell. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Actually, I preferred the board when Dick Pratt and Raphael Germinder were in place, it felt like the club was at least making progress. One thing Richard Pratt had brought to the club was momentum, and while he was there the club held no debt to the other power brokers as they were trivial, we lost a bit of it since his passing.
Like you I worry a bit that the return of SOS while a Mathieson remains is the heralding of the return of the old Carlton, they are bit like Michael Kroger (Caligula to his Friends), they never go away and the old money buys their way back in no matter how bad their sins!
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/are-...4zcgl.html
Despite the title, they devote a section to how we should brace ourselves for long term pain.
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(05-03-2018, 02:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/are-...4zcgl.html
Despite the title, they devote a section to how we should brace ourselves for long term pain.
I think the BB appointment indicates that the club is prepared for a long rebuild. A completely new culture needs to be established among the playing group, the football dept and the admin. We have bitten the bullet but the best we can hope for immediately imo is 2-3 years of steady improvement and maybe a few more wins each year.
Reality always wins in the end.
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(05-03-2018, 02:12 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:I think the BB appointment indicates that the club is prepared for a long rebuild. A completely new culture needs to be established among the playing group, the football dept and the admin. We have bitten the bullet but the best we can hope for immediately imo is 2-3 years of steady improvement and maybe a few more wins each year.
EDIT : one hopes.
Re the podcast, listen from about 22.40 onwards.
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(05-03-2018, 02:14 AM)PaulP link Wrote:EDIT : one hopes.
Re the podcast, listen from about 22.40 onwards.
Bartel makes a good point, who'd have thunk we need a mature experienced proven KPF! : 
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(05-03-2018, 02:43 AM)LP link Wrote:Bartel makes a good point, who'd have thunk we need a mature experienced proven KPF! :
No way. News to me..............
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(05-03-2018, 02:43 AM)LP link Wrote:Bartel makes a good point, who'd have thunk we need a mature experienced proven KPF! :
Ooh ooh *raises hand*
welcome to 2010 Jimmy. :
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(05-03-2018, 02:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/are-...4zcgl.html
Despite the title, they devote a section to how we should brace ourselves for long term pain. Ummmm, we have been doing to long term pain for years, we are experienced campaigners in this dept.  ;D
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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(05-03-2018, 08:45 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Ummmm, we have been doing to long term pain for years, we are experienced campaigners in this dept. ;D
Positively masochistic!
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