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[kruddler]

Gibbs is a seriously good footballer.  Grossly underated by these boards and Carlton Fans in general.  Most likely from frustrations that he hadn't won 4 brownlows and led us to 6 premierships.  Yeah he wasn't hard like Dusty Martin, but he was composed, clean, a great field kick and a bloody good footballer.

He is a player that can have 43 touches, 8 Marks, 10 tackles and kick 2 goals in a game.

You can't replace that with Kennedy (19 games), Lang (44) who couldn't crack the Cats Midfield, Dow (0) and SPS (21).    It's like trying to replace Steve Smith with Renshaw, Burns, Handscomb and Travis Head.  Yeah I know Gibbs isn't Steve Smith

The decison to trade Gibbs was always going to be a step back, to make up better in the long run.    6 months long run?  No.  3-4 years.

You are right in what you say about Gibbs. You are never going to replace him with those players.

However, we were never trying to too.

What we were trying to do is get more talent on our list that will still be on our list when Gibbs has long been retired.

So long term, its a gain because we have 'something' when we would've otherwise had nothing when Gibbs hung up his boots.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has missed the point of that trade regardless of their thoughts on Gibbs.

[Raydan]

Problem is, this is the 3rd, 4th, 5th? 'rebuild, redevelopment, rennovation, rejuvination...'

This casserole was supposed to be for dinner......last week. By the time its cooked we'll be dead from malnutrition!

You cannot blame Bolton/SOS for the disasters of the past, they were given a crap sandwich and have done a potentially great job in filling the list with young players with upside and talent.

[kruddler]

You cannot blame Bolton/SOS for the disasters of the past, they were given a crap sandwich and have done a potentially great job in filling the list with young players with upside and talent.

I'm not blaming them, i'm blaming the club, they just happen to be part of the club.

I'd like to think its different this time, and it appears it is....but you know what, i had the same thought every other time too....so forgive me for not being 'all-in'

[madbluboy]

I remember when Pagan was coach posters here were saying that was the first time the club has done a full rebuild and embraced the draft.

[Shakin77]

You are right in what you say about Gibbs. You are never going to replace him with those players.

However, we were never trying to too.

What we were trying to do is get more talent on our list that will still be on our list when Gibbs has long been retired.

So long term, its a gain because we have 'something' when we would've otherwise had nothing when Gibbs hung up his boots.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has missed the point of that trade regardless of their thoughts on Gibbs.

Agree 100%  Some people seem surprised it put us back a step.  But here we are. 

[Shakin77]

I remember when Pagan was coach posters here were saying that was the first time the club has done a full rebuild and embraced the draft.

Yeah, Nah, Maybe.

Pagan got an old list.  We lost top end draft picks.    We recruited 20 recycled players that other than Scotland all sucked.

As a result we got a lot of early picks that we used rather than trade for Michael Mansfield or Stephen O'Reilly

[Lods]

He is a player that can have 43 touches, 8 Marks, 10 tackles and kick 2 goals in a game.

Yep
He does that every week :

The reality is he's a 23 touch 5 mark, 4 tackle, 0.6 goal player...a good, average midfielder often critcicised for high disposal/ lack of impact.
Docherty was a much greater loss

[Shakin77]

Yep
He does that every week :

The reality is he's a 23 touch 5 mark, 4 tackle, 0.6 goal player...a good, average midfielder often critcicised for high disposal/ lack of impact.
Docherty was a much greater loss

"can have"    Key words.

If any of the 4 you mentioned did I hope they don't bump their head when they wake up.

[Gointocarlton]

I remember when Pagan was coach posters here were saying that was the first time the club has done a full rebuild and embraced the draft.

Ill stand corrected if you can find the posts but I don't recall anyone saying that. It is nonsense to suggest we have done "rebuilds" before. It has never been done in our clubs history until now. DH's like Jack Elliott openly gloated something like "we dont rebuild at Carlton". Pagan drafted in all the rejects from other clubs due to the salary cap penalties. I recall an article about Pagans Foreign Legion showing all the players he traded in.

[Gointocarlton]

No doubt.    But "IF" you are rebuidling you don't pick him up and lose the Eddie Betts compensation pick we would have got.  IE:  Not a rebuild.

When Daisy was signed on, there was no rebuild. Lets be clear about that.