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(04-29-2018, 11:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I have less of an issue if fans get antsy - they can be easily spooked and need constant reassurance. That's fine.
If the club is spooked, then IMO, that's beyond absurd. The "old" Carlton would have pulled the trigger by now.
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Laj: Team selections are totally out of kilter with the modern game.
The modern game has been happening every year since footy was invented! What is the modern game? Depends on the team and opposition of the day.
What if we are in the midst of creating "the modern game" - a different style to everyone else that will win a flag. IFF we had the full list in form, we are building a pretty good side, and there would probably be a fair bit of excitement and a few more wins on the board. Our best 22 would still have Cas, Charlie, McKay as forwards with a couple of crumbers to keep the pressure on - Pickett, Garlett, Wright (egs only).
ATM, our worst enemy is our skill - dropped marks, handballs at the feet, fumbling balls in packs etc. and injuries - not making excuses, but we don't have any depth - we need our best 22 out there.
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I've ditched the "reset/rebuild" lines for a "recreation", call me pedantic, but have a look at this team I threw together (Mrs Hanwell was being a bit noisey) at 3 am this morning and you should get the true extent of the exodus. As I stated earlier this is a ground up build and by definition will take four to five years.
This team contains one player who chose another team, one player who was under our nose at the Bullants and two who retired last year(*):
Rice* Gowers Laidler*
Toohey Henderson Lambert*
Buckley Gibbs Bell
Yarren* Waite Betts
Hampson Kennedy Garlett
Jacobs Grigg Robinson
A little bit depressing at 3.18 am, I pray they know what they are doing because I don't think any other team (except GWS, second on the ladder!!!) could name a similar team. traded, or discarded away. Just look at the goal kickers we have ditched, no wonder we have not crossed the tonne for so long......
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Hanwell,
Sauce and Kennedy are very good players, Robbo and Gibbs would be handy around the clinches, and Betts is good goalsneak.
The rest are either on their last legs, or don't offer us anything we don't already have, or are just hacks or one trick ponies. Apart from those players I mentioned above, there's not one other player that I would lose sleep over.
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(04-29-2018, 09:39 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Hanwell,
Sauce and Kennedy are very good players, Robbo and Gibbs would be handy around the clinches, and Betts is good goalsneak.
The rest are either on their last legs, or don't offer us anything we don't already have, or are just hacks or one trick ponies. Apart from those players I mentioned above, there's not one other player that I would lose sleep over.
I think the point Hanwell makes is they seem to be able to hold spots in teams further up the ladder and we had them on our list years earlier, I'll repeat that years earlier! And many currently on our list have shown nothing more or even les than many of those in Hanwell's team.
It's bit hard for fans to buy in when we've offload one bunch of apparently direction-less players, for another bunch of apparently direction-less players!
What you are basically accusing the club of when you make that statement is a form of stasis, we've been going nowhere at a phenomenal rate!
Are we on the rebuild to nowhere?
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(04-29-2018, 11:18 AM)dodge link Wrote:ATM, our worst enemy is our skill - dropped marks, handballs at the feet, fumbling balls in packs etc. and injuries - not making excuses, but we don't have any depth - we need our best 22 out there.
Our worst enemy ATM is our under age list.
It's also our best asset.
On top of that we have a few injuries to some of our better players.
Add Kruezer, Docherty....... Murphy, Williamson and Pickett and we look a lot better.
We need to play Picket and Garlett in our forward 50.
Our forward line must be the slowest in the comp atm.
We cannot afford to have Silvagni, McKay, Casboult, Curnow, Wright all playing in the forward line.
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Surely we'll be able to make a good case for a priority pick at the end of this season !
Which will no doubt be ignored by the AFL.....
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A couple of points Paul, Lods has hit the money shot, all these players (not Gibbs,Buckley or Yarran) played games last year, most this year. But also most of them left in the Mick era, Bolton inherited a club who was bereft of mid age leadership. There was no choice but to start again it was inevitable. The ones that really irk me are that Rice didn't choose us, he may well turn out to be a bust but he picked the 'Aints, and we had Lambert under our nose, he has now played in a premiership (as has Grigg!!!). It's no good going down sorry street, because it is what it is, and it aint pretty. But for me it explains why we are here.
By the way Paul, Eddie is so much more than a "good" small forward.....we lost our soul when he left.
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Betts was a f... up granted, the rest meh.
Kennedy went as part of the Judd deal. i don't think we can really regret that.
Sauce - hadn't really fired a shot when he left....who knew, he was third in line...! And Warnock was a bust.
Robbo, Garlett - it happens.
Hendo, 2E - would have liked Irish to stay, he took the money and tenure for family security - good on him. Hendo, good riddance.
Waitey - who knew, he was more often than not injured or suspended when in our colours.
Laidler - meh, didn't do much with Sydney either.
Rice or Lambert - the former - neither here nor there. The latter - a fairy tale story good on him but we weren't the only ones to pass....
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(04-29-2018, 10:28 PM)hanwell link Wrote:A couple of points Paul, Lods has hit the money shot, all these players (not Gibbs,Buckley or Yarran) played games last year, most this year. But also most of them left in the Mick era, Bolton inherited a club who was bereft of mid age leadership. There was no choice but to start again it was inevitable. The ones that really irk me are that Rice didn't choose us, he may well turn out to be a bust but he picked the 'Aints, and we had Lambert under our nose, he has now played in a premiership (as has Grigg!!!). It's no good going down sorry street, because it is what it is, and it aint pretty. But for me it explains why we are here.
By the way Paul, Eddie is so much more than a "good" small forward.....we lost our soul when he left.
Hanwell, thanks for the clarification. There is still some conjecture surrounding Betts' departure, and the way it unfolded.
I'll tell you one thing - if Grigg or Lambert were still on our list now, we would be complaining about them much the same as we do about our other players. Guaranteed. They have a premiership medal - good luck to them. Right place right time and all that. But they are ordinary foot soldiers IMO. Anyway, Grigg's contract ends at the end of this season, when I believe he becomes an UFA. Maybe we can lure him back.................not.
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