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(04-23-2018, 11:14 PM)northernblue link Wrote:I have no idea how often he takes the piss out of himself, however some in this place occasionally notice that there’s 3 instead of the usual 7 tea leaves floating in their morning beverage and couple that insight with the fact that the starling’s seem to be nesting later this year and that SPS seems to have stalled in his development... some just can’t see the woods for the trees... ????
Players stall, it's normal for 2nd year blues to apply. But the worry with some is that it appears their work rate drops off with their success.
You look at SoJ and Weitering, good or bad form, they keep busting their ar5e on field and it's inevitable that they will get back to their best as is the case with any form related issue. For those guys it is more about a synchronisation issue.
The bigger worry for some observers are those players who seem to switch off when their form slides. They are the guys who can be great when they are good, but bloody awful at other times! They can appear like they want it delivered on a platter or they'll take their ball and go home!
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(04-23-2018, 11:38 PM)LP link Wrote:After two false starts! 
We cannot seriously judge this kid until he's got 50+ games under his belt, that will take him at least into his 5th seasons on current averages.
Maybe he did stumble a little at first for various reasons but I prefer not to fixate on past negatives and look forward to him fulfilling his potential which would deliver huge benefits for us. He needs to look forward not backwards.
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(04-23-2018, 11:56 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Maybe he did stumble a little at first for various reasons but I prefer not to fixate on past negatives and look forward to him fulfilling his potential which would deliver huge benefits for us. He needs to look forward not backwards.
Learning comes from the past, performance is always in the future!
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(04-23-2018, 11:59 PM)LP link Wrote:Learning comes from the past, performance is always in the future!
Big difference between learning and moving on and being continually niggled about it and not being allowed to forget past issues. Constant reminders of past mistakes is an excellent method of ruining the future - and very old school.
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(04-24-2018, 12:08 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Big difference between learning and moving on and being continually niggled about it and not being allowed to forget past issues. Constant reminders of past mistakes is an excellent method of ruining the future - and very old school.
"10 Second Tom" is doomed to make the same mistake over and over again, that is caused by forgetting!
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(04-24-2018, 12:10 AM)LP link Wrote:"10 Second Tom" is doomed to make the same mistake over and over again, that is caused by forgetting!
No one will be allowed to forget with you around..
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(04-24-2018, 02:24 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:No one will be allowed to forget with you around..
Actually, I'm an advocate for forgiving but not forgetting. Not forgiving or forgetting puts you in the MM camp of hanging players for simple one-off mistakes!
The question then becomes one of balance, how often should you forgive a repeat offender?
If you decide to forgive eternally, when do you become a fool?
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(04-24-2018, 02:51 AM)LP link Wrote:Actually, I'm an advocate for forgiving but not forgetting. Not forgiving or forgetting puts you in the MM camp of hanging players for simple one-off mistakes!
The question then becomes one of balance, how often should you forgive a repeat offender?
If you decide to forgive eternally, when do you become a fool?
Forgiving, if indeed that is the right word, is not continually reminding people of their "mistakes" but offering advice as to how they might improve and what the club expects from them. If they can't get up to the desired standard then you eventually say goodbye to them. I guess the equation then becomes one of observing their rate of improvement v. their estimated eventual value plus other considerations such as other options available etc. I'm sure that would be BB's approach, or something similar - not to keep them on the rack of regular recrimination. Didn't we sack a coach who favoured that approach?
Interesting that you see young players trying to learn but making mistakes as "offenders". :o
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(04-24-2018, 03:29 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Forgiving, if indeed that is the right word, is not continually reminding people of their "mistakes" but offering advice as to how they might improve and what the club expects from them. If they can't get up to the desired standard then you eventually say goodbye to them. I guess the equation then becomes one of observing their rate of improvement v. their estimated eventual value plus other considerations such as other options available etc. I'm sure that would be BB's approach, or something similar - not to keep them on the rack of regular recrimination. Didn't we sack a coach who favoured that approach?
Interesting that you see young players trying to learn but making mistakes as "offenders". :o
I suppose I have been too broad in that it's reasonable to qualifying this debate in terms of youth only given the McKay discussion, but youth only was never my focus!
Regardless, by the time he gets 50 games he won't be qualified as youth anymore!
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(04-22-2018, 02:35 AM)Jean-Claude link Wrote:I think that's the main thing, 4 goals makes it seem like a great game but I was there and he was pretty average. But he needs anything he can get to build some confidence and momentum in his game. I think we nailed it with Dow, looks really solid every week he is going to be a gun for us. Quitely impressed with O'Brien also think he has something.
I know I will probably catch a lot of criticism, but I agree.
I said prior to the game that for a pass from me he would need to work hard, lead, make second leads and work defensively.
Once again, our forwards were lazy. There is simply no work from them .
Jack is the only one that consistently leads and his effort in defence is second to none (even though he has difficulty making his tackles stick)
There were numerous times we had a mark 60-70m out from goal, the wide angle shot of the forward 50 comes up on screen and theres Jack running on a lead, and Casboult and McKay standing close to the goal square making no effort whatsoever. The ball is bombed in to a 5 on 10 situation, and there goes our forward 50 entry. Not good enough.
Well done to McKay kicking 4. He kicked very straight, and the banana was a spectacular looking kick.
I just think we need more effort from our forwards.
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