2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

[flyboy77]

Rewatch the game.
Have a look at our guys when we have the ball in our half forward line... Specifically watch the "forwards"
You might see one of them make a lead. If Jack is in the forward line you will see some movement out of him, but the rest...
You wanna know why we bomb the ball in forward, it's because that's what our forwards are demanding with their ridiculous stationary, lazy @rse play.
The reason our forwards are the worst in the league is because they are lazy, and they don't work.

Can't agree with this.

The mids and backs, if they actually win the ball, usualy fluff arounde with the ball laterally for so long that the opposition floods back and there simply isn't the space to lead once theball finally moves inside 50....

Pretty simple - good sides move the ball forward quickly - much more often than not - so that their forwards can compete on a level pegging.

[laj]

Rewatch the game.
Have a look at our guys when we have the ball in our half forward line... Specifically watch the "forwards"
You might see one of them make a lead. If Jack is in the forward line you will see some movement out of him, but the rest...
You wanna know why we bomb the ball in forward, it's because that's what our forwards are demanding with their ridiculous stationary, lazy @rse play.
The reason our forwards are the worst in the league is because they are lazy, and they don't work.

You re-watched the game? You're brave..lol.

[flyboy77]

There is another word for "brave"?

[LP]

Rewatch the game.

Have a look at our guys when we have the ball in our half forward line... Specifically watch the "forwards"

You might see one of them make a lead. If Jack is in the forward line you will see some movement out of him, but the rest...

You wanna know why we bomb the ball in forward, it's because that's what our forwards are demanding with their ridiculous stationary, lazy @rse play.

The reason our forwards are the worst in the league is because they are lazy, and they don't work.

Thank-you Deags.

It's clear that when we win the ball on the HBF or exit D50 we've often got nobody to kick it to, I saw the same pattern in the VFL yesterday and one of two things then happens.

Guys get run down and are lambasted by fans and media for trying to do too much, when in reality they had nobody ahead of them to kick to! Even worse, nobody running in parallel to hand off too! You will often see our ball carrier have to dodge his way through some of our own players who are standing still minding the grass.

We have in our memory that Dennis shepherd, the one in which he runs past an opponent to shield the ball carrier. Most clubs call that playing football, it's a highlight for us because it stands out happening so rarely at Carlton! That simple act among others made Dennis a legend!

I don't know how many times I have seen an opponent run past a Carlton player to charge down the Carlton ball carrier, but it happens with monotonous regularity in 2018!

or

Under pressure they eventually bomb the ball to static forwards only to have the opposition defense clear it too easily, the ball carrier then gets labeled a ball waster because no forward has made a genuine effort. I'm not claiming our ball use isn't poor, but the games do not have to go the way they go!

Next time our fans watch Casboult hanging deep in F50 behind a couple of defenders waiting for a jump at the ball they better take note! Watch the replay of the VFL, you see McKay doing the very same thing!

I'm desperate for Kerr to come in and do what he has been doing in the two's, working hard making multiple leads, repeat efforts, creating space, the stuff KPFs are supposed to do!

Not play like rovers hanging out the back sporadically launching at packs!

There was a great moment on Saturday night when Levi used his bulk to clean up an opponent, Levi looked frustrated and Norp looked shocked, even the commentators were caught off guard, but he should be doing that two or three times a game not once or twice a season as a highlight! If he did that more often, if he sacrificed for the team on a consistent basis, kids around him should lift. Levi shouldn't be the beneficiary of such acts, he needs to be the instigator!

When our kids are being bullied and bashed around like they were Saturday night, it's because players like Levi do not play that way, the opponents do not fear him or others in our F50!

Our problem is that it only takes one lazy or stupid player to deliver an advantage to the opposition, and we have a few players who pick and choose when they will make an effort.

Agree SoJ is quite good on the effort front, he works very hard, but his form is rubbish because he not getting anywhere near the ball, he is allowing his running patterns to be determined by his opponent. They are effectively corralling him.

[deags]

Can't agree with this.

The mids and backs, if they actually win the ball, usualy fluff arounde with the ball laterally for so long that the opposition floods back and there simply isn't the space to lead once theball finally moves inside 50....

Pretty simple - good sides move the ball forward quickly - much more often than not - so that their forwards can compete on a level pegging.

I couldn't really give 2 stuffs about how long the ball takes to get up the ground. Sure, quick ball movement makes it easier, but the forward still have to work, possibly harder.
How many times in the last few weeks have we actually been on a fast break for a midfielder to have to pull up or pass the ball laterally because there was no one in front of him to pass it to?
The forwards need to work hard. If one bloke leads, he will create space where he was prior to the lead. That space is an opportunity for another forward to lead into.
If multiple people lead, then that creates even more space for others to lead into.
God forbid someone might actually follow up a lead with a second lead.

[LoveNavy]

Just heard on radio news that Murphy is out for "several weeks"
Not sure if that's accurate or Not, but I'm getting a bit glum about our shrinking list of available players.

Please help CFC football gods. We have repented our sins. 

[LP]

If multiple people lead, then that creates even more space for others to lead into.
God forbid someone might actually follow up a lead with a second lead.

We are so far from this reality of AFL that it borders on being a satire!

As much as I hate to write it, Jack Riewoldt is the very reason Nthmond can go with the single KPF F50. He works his butt off, lead after lead after lead, most of them go unrewarded.

Other than SoJ and Wright, our guys make one effort, drop their heads and stop if the ball isn't delivered lace out! Some of them commit an even bigger sin, they fingerpoint!

They don't stay stopped, they get back on with it eventually, but by then it's too late! That first act, that moment they hesitate being sorry for themselves is what does all the damage!

Recall that video grab last season of Hodge telling Mitchell not to hesitate, he goes you go, go with your man, when he goes you go! To paraphrase Hodge!

[cookie2]

Just heard on radio news that Murphy is out for "several weeks"
Not sure if that's accurate or Not, but I'm getting a bit glum about our shrinking list of available players.

Please help CFC football gods. We have repented our sins. 

That was being intimated yesterday LN.

[LP]

That was being intimated yesterday LN.

The minute he pointed to the arch/instep behind his big toe it was a bad news day, and he's no spring chicken!

[LoveNavy]

The whole blues captain question may well need addressing sooner rather than later .

Speedy recovery Murph.