2018 Rd 4: Carlton vs North Melbourne in Hobart

[sandsmere]

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Last weekend was about as disappointing and irritating as it can get. However: we had more scoring shots; we played poorly for much of the game and lost by 4 goals; our team structure isn't there yet and we have guys returning soon.
We have a chance this weekend to show something. I hope we can do it.

More scoring shots , and more I50s too , I think.

Our main problem is in front of goal. We can't kick goals.
Switch things around a bit up there.
We are missing Picket too.
Give Kerr a go. He leads well, can take a mark and can kick straight.
Give Charlie a run on the ball and change him with Cripps at FF.

Anything, but do something unpredictable.

[LP]

More scoring shots , and more I50s too , I think.

Our main problem is in front of goal. We can't kick goals.
Switch things around a bit up there.
We are missing Picket too.
Give Kerr a go. He leads well, can take a mark and can kick straight.
Give Charlie a run on the ball and change him with Cripps at FF.

Anything, but do something unpredictable.

In fairness to the kids above, they are all you've talked about and the basis of your suggestions.

What do we do about the long term boat anchors?

[blue4life]

Yeah, and we conceded 10 goals in a row without even a whimper....

Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.

[Professer E]

We still played in a manner far below basic expectations, let alone the expectations of anybody on this site.

[PaulP]

Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.

Yes, no need to catastrophise.

[Professer E]

So you're OK with Friday night then?

I'm in the $@/* that camp, what was dished up was utterly unacceptable.

[PaulP]

So you're OK with Friday night then?

I'm in the $@/* that camp, what was dished up was utterly unacceptable.

I'm in the "I understand the growing pains" camp.

[tonyo]

Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.

Collingwood kicked straight because they got their goals with an absolute minimum of pressure, and all their shots ended up being <20m out almost straight in front.  They also had enough star forwards returning from injury that they could post a lazy 30 in the 2s the next day....

It all stemmed from the ease with which they could move the ball down the ground, with absolutely no pressure from our forward half/mids whatsoever. Not to mention broken tackles (still a major issue for us).

The second quarter, when all the damage was done, we looked like a school football team.  No half-decent AFL team should concede 10 in a row - especially with the ridiculous ease with which the Pies got theirs.  The same thing happened in the first quarter against the Suns last week.

It looks to me like there are some significant 'between the ears' issues with our team.  We are absolutely crying out for some on-field leadership, and apart from Cripps, there is none.

[Baggers]

Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.

No offence good friend, but herein lies the problem. For years we've been looking for the positives to rationalise a poor showing... we're well trained to tolerate, even accept failure. There's always an excuse for our failure 'the opposition will never kick that straight again', 'it was only one bad quarter', 'we lost so-and-so in the 2nd quarter', 'the umpiring favoured them', 'selection was wrong', 'he's not a good match day coach'... bla bla bla...

Allowing Rottingwood to kick so many unanswered goals speaks to a glaring leadership void - speechless that leaders gave not a yelp, just a whimper. What did our young blokes learn from their leaders (on-field) when the opposition can take total control of a game the way Rottingwood did and the way the Tiggers did in R1? Did our leaders give them direction/inspiration/something? Nuh. What were our leaders thinking as they were chasing dot all over the paddock? Didn't anyone feel inclined to actually do something to change the course of the game or are they so used to failure that they accept defeat??? Does winning mean that little to us? In the 2nd half against Rottingwood we showed we can play strong footy but it obviously took the coaches to give the boys a rocket to wake them up!

We're not sitting on the bottom of the ladder because we're dreadfully unlucky!!! And we're not the youngest side going around... At this very moment the Carlton Football Club is a shambles, seniors surrender meekly and the 2nds, holy cr@p!!! A 130 pt hiding says it all. And we're a football club with just about more 1st round draft picks taking the field than anyone else.

Yes, it can all turn around quickly... which is another line we've been fed week in, week out, month in month out, year in year out.

If you keep repeating the same thing yet expect a different result, well, that's the very definition of stoooopid.

[LP]

We still played in a manner far below basic expectations, let alone the expectations of anybody on this site.

That is really the core situation, win or lose!

This isn't Rnd 4 2012 or Rnd 3 2014, and I'm sure the current opposition aren't juiced up to the eyeballs, but our last couple of games look very similar to those matches!