2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

[PaulP]

Jones and Mullet are both B grade VFL footballers, a type of player of which we have far too many. Not sure how you can criticise one without the other. Jones was pantsed by Franklin last year, and Mullet wasn't even playing.

I think you need a bigger sample space before you pot blokes like Cripps, Wright and Plowman, all three of whom are among the very least of our problems.

I don’t understand why people take pot shots at some of our kids, e.g Dow, and then think we can bring in plonkers like Jack S and Kerridge, as if somehow they will be better.

[flyboy77]

Jones and Mullet are both B grade VFL footballers, a type of player of which we have far too many. Not sure how you can criticise one without the other. Jones was pantsed by Franklin last year, and Mullet wasn't even playing.

I think you need a bigger sample space before you pot blokes like Cripps, Wright and Plowman, all three of whom are among the very least of our problems.

I don’t understand why people take pot shots at some of our kids, e.g Dow, and then think we can bring in plonkers like Jack S and Kerridge, as if somehow they will be better.

Guys like Buddy and Lynch pants anyone, Rance included, one on one.

Only think that works is a team defence, mids included.

It's the mids who have failed to provide ANY defensive support when we get smashed.

By the time the ball is streaming through the midfield with no pressure on the ball carrier, there is little, no SFA, a defender can do unless the delivery is woeful (an anti skill that only carp teams like us can achieve).

[flyboy77]

And if you can't see how a Kerridge type (not Graham) isnt an improvement on the current Dow, well God help you.

Look at the bloke's stats the last 6 or so games in 2017 - when he was given a run at it, better than Murphy or Gibbs.

Dow needs to play 2s - earn a spot in the 1s - just like anyone else.

[PaulP]

When was the last time Buddy kicked 10 on a player ? When was the last time Lynch kicked 8 on a player ? Can' blame the midfield all the time. Defenders have to defend at some point.

What irks me more than anything is Jones isn't even near the contest. He's meters away. If he's there with the forward, at the drop of the ball, trying to mark, spoil, harass, punch the ball away, then fair enough. He's not as big or strong as Buddy, Lynch etc., so if he gets out bodied, I can live with that.

[PaulP]

And if you can't see how a Kerridge type (not Graham) isnt an improvement on the current Dow, well God help you.

Look at the bloke's stats the last 6 or so games in 2017 - when he was given a run at it, better than Murphy or Gibbs.

Dow needs to play 2s - earn a spot in the 1s - just like anyone else.

Kerridge has already played 30 odd games for us. We've seen what he as to offer, and it isn't great. He's a panic merchant, pure and simple. Dow is a kid, still getting used to the pace of the game, playing against experienced, hardened bodies, and he already looks cleaner than Kerridge.

[Thryleon]

When was the last time Buddy kicked 10 on a player ? When was the last time Lynch kicked 8 on a player ? Can' blame the midfield all the time. Defenders have to defend at some point.

What irks me more than anything is Jones isn't even near the contest. He's meters away. If he's there with the forward, at the drop of the ball, trying to mark, spoil, harass, punch the ball away, then fair enough. He's not as big or strong as Buddy, Lynch etc., so if he gets out bodied, I can live with that.

Jones isn't a good body on body player he's better using his athleticism and reach to beat opponents.

We are struggling because on field there are too many people focussed on themselves rather than helping the next bloke.  Defence is a team within the team and currently it lacks leadership to the point Marchbank going down costs us big time.

[blue4life]

Kerridge can get the ball ok but his usage is woeful even at VFL level.
His kicking action is fine and he seems well coordinated so it must be between the ears, he lacks focus, concentration and decision-making skills.
Replacing Dow with him, or Graham either for that matter, would be a retrograde step.
I saw some of the VFL on the weekend, the only player you might consider is Silvagni and then only for his work rate.

[LP]

Jones isn't a good body on body player he's better using his athleticism and reach to beat opponents.

Yet in the ruck he's more than useful, far better than Casboult, and currently far better than McKay or De Koning. After his last 18 months I'd rate Jones the equal of Rowe in the ruck.

In think people underestimate Liam's ability, he shows great intent, recovery and persistence, it's not his physical attributes that limit him it's experience in those roles.

Why would we chop someone likes Jones after what he's shown in the new roles over the last 18 months, when we've persisted with other players for almost a decade? Wouldn't that be a little hypocritical?

[blue4life]

All defenders struggle when the ball is coming in under no pressure, with Docherty and Byrne fully fit next season I'm happy that our defence will be as good as any.
It's the midfield and forward pressure we need to lift but that will take time and only come as youngsters develop and we can replace some players who aren't good enough.

[madbluboy]

Jones smashed Lynch last year, our team has had no structure the last 2 weeks. Even looking back at round 1 if we take away the Tigers slow start they killed us as well with their fast transition.