2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

[flyboy77]

Agreed, the longer it drags on - the deeper the cancer - but buy in a 'prick' eg Luke Hodge from another Club....shake up the place.

Teach the players that they must adhere to a minimum standard or they will be dropped - no hand holding of blokes likes Weiters.

If he has personal issues - well that's not good - but give him leave and help - to fix the problem. Don't let him face the media scrum who keep asking why and how has Carlton destroyed another top talent...

FFS, i think the MC and the like suffer from 'group think' - and let's be frank, most are ex footy players and not that bright....even Macca, a vet, is too 'Blue' - to see the wood from the trees imo.

To have picked Polson - at all - and even Dow simply reeks of dumb. Serious dumb, that a whole MC could agree to it.

The latter is not ready and would me much better served gettig leather poisoning in the 2s. Apart from a few moments v the Saints, the kid has been MIA (no blame on him).

Bad, no dumb, selections have cost us 2 games already this season - and that basicaly destroys the season.

[ianh]

x2.

Your Jones description is spot on - was at last nights game and he looked confused when deciding between sticking on his man or leaving to attack a ball he thinks he can kill. I like his desire and efforts but those decisions cost us more goals then it saved last night unfortunately.

Its bloody hard to watch as our back 6 was one strength from the Bolton era and in a flash it seems to have turned to a shambles by what the club says is us trying to be more offensive and we need to get the balance right. Seems like poor coaching if in an attempt to score more you then lose your one strength.

Or is it simply a case of losing Doc which has hurt us more then we imagined?

How about a defence of

DOCHERTY              ROWE                MACREADIE

WILLIAMSON          A SILVAGNI        BYRNE

- all unavailable (including coming back in the 2s) last night.  One of the consequences is we end up with an unbalanced overly tall and slow backline.  Add Weitering struggling for form and Jones being caught in 2 minds constantly- for which I blame the coaches not him - and it adds up to a struggling defence.  Mullett so far has been ordinary (not worse than that in my view)but gives a much needed big body.  Similar to why it made sense to draft O'Shea and rookie Shaw - we need that experience base and funnily enough opposing teams don't give away too many top liners.

The bigger concern to me is the midfield (admittedly we do have a couple of injuries there and Kennedy and Kreuzer seemed restricted last night) and more so the forward line having zero and I mean zero ability to put pressure on the opponent.  We couldn't chase them hard enough to put them under even perceived pressure let alone catch someone and our tackling is putrid.  No wonder the defence gets carved up when the ball comes in that easy (on top of its own woes).

FFS find someone ready willing and able to chase and lay a tackle even if they don't give much offensively.  The problem is the cupboard seems pretty bare - Kerridge maybe, Nick Graham tries hard, but neither really AFL quality in my mind.  Might Shaw be worth a look?  I say reward whoever stands up for the 2s - we know we have got the dead wood to drop.

[BluePhantom]

Hey Blue Phantom, your expectation list outlines what is expected of a premiership team or contender. We ASPIRE to those but we are nowhere near those. Checkout the stability and experience within the Swans, Geelong and Hawthorn over recent years. Your checklist of expectations should be non negotiable at those places, given their stages. To EXPECT those things at our stage is pure fantasyland, Walt Disney stuff. To ASPIRE to and STRIVE towards, is our aim. Look at our player turnover, look at our youth. We are a work in progress, nothing more. Let’s reassess when Fisher, Curnow, Cripps, Dow, Mckay, Schumacher, Marchbank etc have between 80-120 games on the board.

And there you go, softly, softly approach.
It's okay we have young guys playing a man's sport? Aspire? Strive? WTF????????????
These guys get paid big BIG bucks. It is a profession, I am a member, so I EXPECT the Walt Disney stuff. It is a non negotiable when you play the game for any team.
You make all the stuff yourself. Demand it, live it, breathe it.
Standards are set from the top down. Murphy? see ya later as Capt. Still a valuable player for us but not as Capt.
Cripps has the aurora. Just do it Carlton.

[Professer E]

I wanted Jordan Lewis.... He wouldn't put up with the crap we served up in the last three rounds.

Time to make Cripps official captain...cite "personal reasons"    for Murphy to step down.

Cripps looked very frustrated last night,  at least he gives a $@*/.

[flyboy77]

Ianh,

Kerridge's last 6 or so games in 2017 were very, very good. Better DE than Gibbs and Murphy.

His decison making was good - and markedly improved - and I think it's pure folly by the MC that he gets overlooked for both Dow and Polson.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-c...?year=2017

And he lays tackles that stick!

An extra five tackles and 5 marks a game....

[crashlander]

As mentioned already:
[1] We obviously have some sort of plan with our line-up, but I can't agree with it, whatever it is. Guys like Polson and Dow need to be learning their craft in the VFL. They are not ready yet. Dow showed more than he has previously, but his fumbles and mis-kicks have been horrible. Similarly, Polson had a couple of good chances to do things and mucked them through lack of composure. They need to go back and get 30+ possessions in the VFL before they deserve a game again.
Weitering, similarly, needs to go back and get some form up. Jack Silvagni going back hasn't hurt him.

[2] Our total lack of forward pressure:
The way the defence of other teams just runs out and hits targets is incredibly irritating. Richmond has shown us the way: put pressure on the defenders so they can't get the ball out. It isn't rocket science, but we really don't do it.
(a) Matthew Wright had probably his worst game for us last night. he tries, but he doesn't catch many.
(b) Jed Lamb had an ordinary game last night. He provides plenty of niggle, but he gets only a couple of tackles per game. We cannot carry a guy who chases so poorly.
© Levi Casboult hasn't chased anybody down since Ratten was coach. Nor does he try that hard either: he just jogs. He man runs off easily.
(d) Jack Silvagni hasn't the pace or the reaction time to catch many. Guys run off him all of the time, as he gets outbodied as well.
(e) Charlie Curnow can run guys down, but he doesn't do it very often. He needs to work on that, as it is one of the few weaknesses in his game.
(f) Pickett and Garlett can and do run guys down, but Id like to see them do more of it, as they have the pace to really do it.

We HAVE to keep the ball in our forward line with pressure!

[shawny]

I wanted Jordan Lewis.... He wouldn't put up with the crap we served up in the last three rounds.

Time to make Cripps official captain...cite "personal reasons"    for Murphy to step down.

Cripps looked very frustrated last night,  at least he gives a $@*/.

Love Cripps but his lack of pace is a worry regarding him as captain.

A few occasions last night he gave up the chase once his opponent got a few yards break on him. Not a great look for others to follow.

One particular time early in the last quarter looked terrible.....just jogged after an opponent and conceded he wasnt going to catch him. I sit in the members area and i wasnt the only one who thought it looked poor from a potental captain. I know he is not quick but ive watched Kruezer continue to bust his gut chasing a midfileder despite not being able to gain any ground.

Doc is our captain for me - Simmo would have been my pick for this year once Doc went down in pre season.

[Lods]

[2] David Cuningham in defence:
Looking at the stats, Cunners had 14 possessions. Not a great number, but I thought he was one of the more positive things for the night. His run from defence was good. In fact, I think it was one of his best games for us.

The thing I liked about him last night was that he seemed confident and attacked the ball with purpose (if that makes sense), unlike a few others. One of the few bright lights.

[shawny]

The thing I liked about him last night was that he seemed confident and attacked the ball with purpose (if that makes sense), unlike a few others. One of the few bright lights.

Moves laterally very well. And other like fisher, Dow and SPS also seem comfortable to navigate thru traffic with a cool head.

All the above mentioned look like having the qualities you want to see in a kid.

Big upside on players like Bell, Robinson, Smedts, etc who were the opposite.   

[cookie2]

I couldn't blame the back line at all for last night, Collingwood were sweeping the ball down the ground under no pressure.

That certainly made matters a lot worse, and I'm not blaming the backline players - we just do not look like we've mastered zone defence. Over to the coaching staff.