2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

[LP]

I suspect there will also be greater scrutiny on Silvagni's selections as well.

Will it be the selections, or the retentions?

We go through the motions, the same old same olds, week in and week out. Any suggestion of change gets shouted down, if our supporters fear change what is the club to do! More of the same, we've been doing it for a decade!

[Lods]

Will it be the selections, or the retentions?

We go through the motions, the same old same olds, week in and week out. Any suggestion of change gets shouted down, if our supporters fear change what is the club to do! More of the same, we've been doing it for a decade!

I'd love to see some change...I'm not really seeing it this weekend

The problem is you can't shut these discussions and opinions down.
Because an approach is different it doesn't mean it's better....and that should form a point of discussion.
We can't blindly accept that the path the club has chosen is the right one...that the draft selections made are the right ones.
A year ago we had most folk on board with the direction...now we have a few questions.
Another year of mediocrity and there will be more questions.

[LP]

I'd love to see some change...I'm not really seeing it this weekend

The problem is you can't shut these discussions and opinions down.
Because an approach is different it doesn't mean it's better....and that should form a point of discussion.
We can't blindly accept that the path the club has chosen is the right one...that the draft selections made are the right ones.
A year ago we had most folk on board with the direction...now we have a few questions.
Another year of mediocrity and there will be more questions.

While we continue to play blokes like Casboult we won't get answers, he is clearly not the answer, not even his supporters think that!

[Amers]

I went to the game, what absolute rubbish we dished up.
I saw some individual moments of good play from some players, but overall.....
Bolts says we are a side that wants to be known for its effort and pressure, well both were sadly lacking on Saturday.
We had better come out breathing fire against the Pies or I will begin to start asking some serious questions of Bolts, and the players too, if the truth be known.

[kruddler]

These opinions aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't think Bolton will be gone in the short term....but what I am suggesting is that the time has now come when he will be judged by "his" performance.

As Kruds points out....The reality is that any of our coaches since the turn of the century would be very much under the pump after two seasons and two games if this was the state of play.
Because we publicly made such a big deal about a rebuild, and a new approach it has had the effect of delaying that scrutiny on Bolton ...I've always thought that was a clever tactic.

But if results continue to be poor as the season progresses the microscope will become more focused on aspects of team selection, match-ups and match day tactics....and as head coach the buck stops with Bolton.

I suspect there will also be greater scrutiny on Silvagni's selections as well.

So the pressure on the coach and list manager...
It's not necessarily want I want to happen...It's what I believe will happen.
I like Bolton. It's a fresh approach. ...but I also like a successful team and you only get a limited time to create that.

I hope Bolton has a greater plan we're not actually fully understanding in  terms of the team selections and tactics we're seeing at the moment...but the rate of improvement seems slow and if other teams are improving at a greater rate they'll be going past us.
You can argue that the slow and steady rate of improvement is the better path for long term success but in terms of things like sponsorship, membership and importantly being seen as a destination club that will attract new talent I'm afraid I'm a bit skeptical.

However it's not all doom and gloom...the season is two weeks old!
The genie is out of the bottle but a couple of wins will shut up the doubters and stick him right back in there.

I've highlighted my overall throughts on the topic.

The club has done the right thing in trying to buy bolton time.
I think he is doing the right thing thus far, but the pressure is building.
There better be some logic we're not seeing in regards to team selections and what not, otherwise he is digging his own grave.

[kruddler]

While we continue to play blokes like Casboult we won't get answers, he is clearly not the answer, not even his supporters think that!

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Wrong #1. Not finding a replacement for Casboult thus far. - SOS's call.

Potential wrong #2. Not playing him in the side currently.

I would be happy if at the end of this year, Casboult never pulls on a navy blue jumper again.
BUT, we simply do not have the list beneath him to be afforded the luxury of not playing him.

I think we can play him and McKay in the same side....with curnowfides as well. Kreuzer and Jack too.

[LP]

No opposition club defense is going to focus on Casboult any more, Charlie is the go to man.

No opposition will take Casboult seriously because they know Casboult hurts us as much if not more than he hurts them! If I was an opposition coach I'd be looking at defensive structures that ensure Casboult is Carlton's go to option.

Casboult on his best free wheeling day kicks 3 or 4 goals and Carlton probably lose, Charlie looks like he could kick 10 tomorrow.

As 2nd banana to Charlie I'm afraid Casboult draws no heat, and have no doubt Casboult is already 2nd banana. We need a 2nd KPF that will attract some defensive focus to allow Charlie to flourish.

Maybe Rowe and Charlie is a viable F50 setup, would Rowe, Charlie, Silvagni, Marchbank be a potential option?

Ultimately it should be McKay, Kerr, Charlie, Silvagni but we cannot carry all those kids at the moment, we need an experienced older head in there, but one that can lead the kids not feed off them.

[kruddler]

No opposition club defense is going to focus on Casboult any more, Charlie is the go to man.

No opposition will take Casboult seriously because they know Casboult hurts us as much if not more than he hurts them! If I was an opposition coach I'd be looking at defensive structures that ensure Casboult is Carlton's go to option.

Casboult on his best free wheeling day kicks 3 or 4 goals and Carlton probably lose, Charlie looks like he could kick 10 tomorrow.

As 2nd banana to Charlie I'm afraid Casboult draws no heat, and have no doubt Casboult is already 2nd banana. We need a 2nd KPF that will attract some defensive focus to allow Charlie to flourish.

Maybe Rowe and Charlie is a viable F50 setup, would Rowe, Charlie, Silvagni, Marchbank be a potential option?

Ultimately it should be McKay, Kerr, Charlie, Silvagni but we cannot carry all those kids at the moment, we need an experienced older head in there, but one that can lead the kids not feed off them.

Casboult 1st banana or 2nd banana....he's better than whoever is 3rd banana.

It sucks but its true.

Rowe, long term, is not really a better option up forward than Casboult. Age not on his size.
Marchbank forward is taking away our best performed defender to date. Is it worth it? No.

McKay should get a game, and i'm not opposed to sending Casboult back to the 2's to do so, but i know our scoring power would be down because McKay is still finding his feet.

We need to play Casboult, McKay AND Curnowfides together. The latter should draw the heat, and can roam through the wing if need be. The other 2 can fight over 2nd and 3rd defender, and we can exploit that.

Its not a good place to be, but we need Casboult in the side. The sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be. Come post R23 though, all bets are off.

[JonHenry]

We are three years away so there’s no reason not to play McKay.
Plenty of others like Hawkins and Daniher were given a couple of years to grow into the role

[LP]

Casboult 1st banana or 2nd banana....he's better than whoever is 3rd banana.

It sucks but its true.

Rowe, long term, is not really a better option up forward than Casboult. Age not on his size.
Marchbank forward is taking away our best performed defender to date. Is it worth it? No.

McKay should get a game, and i'm not opposed to sending Casboult back to the 2's to do so, but i know our scoring power would be down because McKay is still finding his feet.

We need to play Casboult, McKay AND Curnowfides together. The latter should draw the heat, and can roam through the wing if need be. The other 2 can fight over 2nd and 3rd defender, and we can exploit that.

Its not a good place to be, but we need Casboult in the side. The sooner you accept that, the better off you'll be. Come post R23 though, all bets are off.

Casboult won't exploit anything, that is the problem with that logic.

Marchbank was a turnover merchant last game, at least 3 goals were directly scored due to his poor disposal, two of them coast to coast. Like Simmo getting a sh1te load of footy isn't good enough if the opposition exploit your poor disposal and you don't get back to help. On one of those occasions, Marchbank charged down the ground, kicked the ball directly to a nest of GC players, and jogged over the interchange gate to let others fix up his feck up! I appreciate that might no be all his fault, but shizen it looked bad!