Smith's Crew in SA

[mateinone]

Why severely punish Australians for ball-tampering when those from other sides (including Captains du Plessis and Atherton) have only got wet lettuce leaf punishments? I think this incident is exposing a deep underlying dislike of Smith (and Warner), why should they be treated differently to others that have committed the same offense previously?

Because in Australia we hate cheats in any sport. Players that dive in football, players that dive in soccer, any player that takes supplements etc.
In another country a player can be banned for steroid abuse and the media will beat it up as people being out to discredit the country, not in this country.
In another country an athlete could come back from a 2 year steroid suspension and the public is very unlikely to take to them, because they are a cheat. They are systematically cheating.

We as a country should hold our cricketers to high standards, they are the role models setting the standard for our kids and the next generation.
It should be clear that if you cannot treat you privilege to play for Australia with the respect it requires, then you should not play for it and you absolutely should not lead it.

We don't want to become accepting of cheats, we want to lead the hollering at those that do cheat, because we wouldn't do that. We win, but we win fair.
If Australia take a wet lettuce leaf approach to sanctions against this crop, they ask Australian's to change their ideas on how they view our sportsmen and to change to a "win at any costs" approach, because the penalties are slight anyway.

CA has an obligation to treat these players the way THEY believe cricketers from any country should be treated, not the way they would just want the opposition to be treated.
If we preach higher ideals, then these penalties from CA must be severe and the leaders must fall.

[PaulP]

It does bring up an interesting dynamic.
I've never been overly concerned with our salary cap penalties.
I think they were thoroughly deserved.
I hold my club to a high standard...a standard greater than I'd apply to other sides.
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Careful lods. If you don't hold the view that we are constantly the victims of unfairness, double standards, corruption and incompetence from the ruling bodies and powers that be, you'll be considered a pariah. Actually, as a mod, you won't, but the rest of us hapless schnooks............

[JonHenry]

THE ICC may well use the sioggy leaf approach.

Cricket Australia simply should sack Smith now.

It's not on.

Smith Warner and Lehman will all get sacked.
I don’t expect any of them will be there for the last test.
Lehman has bred this culture and must be held accountable.
Renshaw and Burns will play next test.
When people ask why warner should have been sanctioned for his actions earlier on the tour, you now have your answer.
Same as Rabada. You need to be strong with that type of behaviour or you end up with this kind of garbage.
Same reason Harbajan should never have got away with his garbage and Sachin should have been hauled over the coals for lying.
If the administrators don’t stamp it out early it festers.

[PaulP]

Smith Warner and Lehman will all get sacked.
I don’t expect any of them will be there for the last test.
Lehman has bred this culture and must be held accountable.
Renshaw and Burns will play next test.
When people ask why warner should have been sanctioned for his actions earlier on the tour, you now have your answer.
Same as Rabada. You need to be strong with that type of behaviour or you end up with this kind of garbage.
Same reason Harbajan should never have got away with his garbage and Sachin should have been hauled over the coals for lying.
If the administrators don’t stamp it out early it festers.

In general life and in sport, I can personally attest that this is 154% true. Well said JH.

[Bear]

Why severely punish Australians for ball-tampering when those from other sides (including Captains du Plessis and Atherton) have only got wet lettuce leaf punishments? I think this incident is exposing a deep underlying dislike of Smith (and Warner), why should they be treated differently to others that have committed the same offense previously?

It’s the bit where they cooked up the idea and made/allowed a junior player to do it that gets them in big trouble.

The actual ball tampering bit has it’s own punishment within ICC rules... whatever that is will apply to Bancroft.

[Lods]

Smith and Warner have both stood down for the remainder of the Test
Tim Paine is captain

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/0...nvolvement

[mateinone]

Smith and Warner have both stood down for the remainder of the Test
Tim Paine is captain

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/0...nvolvement

Hopefully they don't make it back into leadership group

[spf]

"Leadership - the action of leading a group of people or an organisation, or the ability to do this."

It sounds so mechanical, yet it is so much more. Having people follow you about is like having people trailing behind you, this is how the 'former' leadership ran the place. I didn't see a lot of empowerment happening, no nurturing but more entitlement with bravado.

[Jack Burton]

I find the reactions interesting. If we do ban Smith, Warner, Bancroft, Lyon and Hazlewood, then if we don't win a single Test match for the next 5 years, how is that helping? Test cricket is already on its knees

[thrunthrublu]

i dont follow cricket much, but smith was compared to the lofty acheivements of bradman.

- More cameras than tokyo airport.
- coach knew, sent the 12th man out to hide evidence
- Suspicions bancroft did this in england. (sugar in his pocket)

a personal legacy destroyed in 24 hours. A national embarrassment of the worst imaginable kind.

There's no way back for smith. He should take the bullet for the team, take a year out, and come back.
If He keeps playing, it'll never go away.
If the coach knew and condoned it, he needs to be sacked ASAP.

This is a carnage