JLT 2018: Carlton vs St Kilda at Ikon on Wednesday

[kruddler]

Your logic is flawed, Weitering is the same age and requires games every bit as much as Harry does. The fact he is further  in front (and by a fair way) suggests that you need to keep playing him or he risks falling back.

Why is it flawed? Because i prefer Harry to play forward?

I've already suggested that if the club wanted to play Weitering forward instead of Casboult, i'd be more in favour of it than if it was instead of McKay.

So because Weitering (20) is young he gets games and pushes another player out of the side who might be a couple years older like Marchbank (21), Plowman (23).

So does that mean that we have to play Dow and O'Brien in place of Murphy?
Or perhaps we should play Williamson instead of Simpson?

Of course that is silly because the older players offer the team more.
Oh wait.
:-[

Why is Weitering above the law?

[JonHenry]

Why is it flawed? Because i prefer Harry to play forward?

I've already suggested that if the club wanted to play Weitering forward instead of Casboult, i'd be more in favour of it than if it was instead of McKay.

So because Weitering (20) is young he gets games and pushes another player out of the side who might be a couple years older like Marchbank (21), Plowman (23).

So does that mean that we have to play Dow and O'Brien in place of Murphy?
Or perhaps we should play Williamson instead of Simpson?

Of course that is silly because the older players offer the team more.
Oh wait.
:-[

Why is Weitering above the law?

Why do you keep saying he's bad for balance?
He is a highly talented kid.
Sounds like you want to make a name for yourself as the one that said it first.
Good luck with that, he can play

[LP]

However, based on potential, McKay has a higher ceiling up forward and i want to see how close he can get to it.

That isn't based in fact, it's your opinion.

Weitering has kicked far bigger bags of goals as a junior than McKay, I watched Weitering as a U16 kick 15 goals in a game, and given the opposition was questionable, not his opponent but the team on the whole, I went to watch him playing a senior AGS game and kick 6 playing as the CHB in a game surrounded by other AFL draftees!

Even so, he should be our long term KPD, he is clearly our Harry Taylor type and players like Marchbank and Plowman can set up around him for the next decade.

Not that I'm anti-McKay, but I see him as a ruck forward option within just a few years.

[kruddler]

Why do you keep saying he's bad for balance?
He is a highly talented kid.
Sounds like you want to make a name for yourself as the one that said it first.
Good luck with that, he can play

I've already explained that several times. Clubs play smaller/quicker forward lines nowadays. There simply might not be a matchup for him. Yes, we can play him and yes he is talented. But so is Jones, Marchbank and Plowman. You know Rowe is also talented. A. Silvagni can't do much wrong either. BUT, you can't fit them all into 1 backline. What about Macreadie and Willo?

We have an abundance of talented defenders. They all can't play. If we choose a backline to play on a smaller/quicker type forwardline

Making a name for myself is not something i have interest in.

I feel that with the tools that Harry has, quicker on the lead and more agile, he has more of a chance of being a better forward than Weitering.
I feel that with Jones, Marchbank and Plowman in defense, they can take on the majority of the forwards they will come up against...and should something go wrong, they can switch it up matchup wise.


This is not a recent problem. I've thought our list has been too defender heavy for a long time now. We are just in a position where they are all becoming AFL quality at the same time. Someone might have to miss out. Would i be more popular if i said Marchbank might be playing 2's? Well, its not about being popular, its about balance and the opposition and IMHO Weitering might get the short straw.

That does not mean i don't rate him. That means i don't think we can fit all our talented defenders into a back 6.

Even MIO has admitted last season he had Marchbank and Plowman rated higher than Weitering, and although he didn't confirm (or deny), pretty sure Jones was too. So by his own estimation he has Weitering as the 4th best defender.

[kruddler]

That isn't based in fact, it's your opinion.

Weitering has kicked far bigger bags of goals as a junior than McKay, I watched Weitering as a U16 kick 15 goals in a game, and given the opposition was questionable, not his opponent but the team on the whole, I went to watch him playing a senior AGS game and kick 6 playing as the CHB in a game surrounded by other AFL draftees!

Even so, he should be our long term KPD, he is clearly our Harry Taylor type and players like Marchbank and Plowman can set up around him for the next decade.

Not that I'm anti-McKay, but I see him as a ruck forward option within just a few years.

Big kid, picking on smaller kids. AFL level is a different kettle of fish.
He's played forward and done ok a couple times....and gone completely missing other times.

He may well turn out to be better than Harry up forward, but he is not great on the lead, isn't as good of a contested mark and doesn't have the same kinda aggression as Harry does.

I've got more question marks over Harry than i do over Weiters, but if both lived up to their potential as a forward, i can't see Weiters being better than Harry. Of course, living up to the potential is the key. Plenty don't.

[DJC]

Dont get the last bit, he made the mistakes but we still won, how would it have made a difference if it was H&A?

Greater intensity in the proper season G2C. An outside of the boot torpedo that misses its target could make the difference between a W and an L.

I thought Daisy was one of our better players but he needs to play the percentages.

[kruddler]

Greater intensity in the proper season G2C. An outside of the boot torpedo that misses its target could make the difference between a W and an L.

I thought Daisy was one of our better players but he needs to play the percentages.

Daisy was brilliant early.

He did some questionable things later, but....

Eddie Maguire spoke on triple m this morning about the lights at Ikon Park. He said they were terrible in our game, and terrible in his game. He said he spoke to a senior player who played in our game (didn't say which team) about the lights and unnamed player said it was very bad. A couple of times "players came out of nowhere" and you couldn't see the pick up the ball well enough to judge it sometimes.

Which senior player do you reckon Eddie Maguire just happened to have a chat too? My money is on Daisy as i'd doubt he'd have the number of many others...and truth be told, we don't even have many senior players on our list....nor the saints.

So....perhaps some of the silly things that Daisy and the others did on the night (and Curnofides springs to mind as well) were because players came out of the shadows and surprised them.

Either way, he suggested that the ground is unsafe for night footy, and at least partly that is because of the local residents, and something needs to be done because its a health and safety risk.

Might also explain Dow losing his teeth.

[DJC]

Watched the replay last night and being a little more relaxed noticed a few more things... just humble observations.

Liked Meat's game. Got better as the game wore on.

Yes, I thought so too.  His lead, mark and goal from the Dow pass was top class forward play.  However, Levi did some good work up the ground including a good spoil in the defensive 50.  Interestingly, McKay did a fair bit of work up the ground too.  Is that part of the plan for 2018?

Hasn't been mentioned much, but I thought Daisy was also good.

Daisy was one of our better players but some of his decision making and skills execution was terrible.  He needs to eliminate that rubbish from his game.

Cuningham was disappointing. Might yet be Lucas mark II (Boekhorst was Lucas mark I).

I thought Cuningham was good - but we’ve had differing opinions about him before  8)

I thought he attacked the footy and used it well when he got it.  He may have been hampered by the leg injury but I reckon he did more than enough to earn another run.

Mullet must work on being, seemingly, frightened! Did some good things though. I suspect he's better suited to the wings than down back.

I didn’t really notice Mullett.  That could be a good thing, or a bad thing  :-\

ZF is great the way he gets from contest to contest. Really good defensively, just like to see him take more possession and hurt the opposition more with disposal. He's a bloody little ripper though.

Young Zac is like a bee in a bottle.  Hopefully he will find a little more composure and be able to make better use of the footy.  His defensive intensity is first class but I’d like to see us get more value from his high work rate.

Garlett is going to be a beaut, genuine X factor.

I think you’re right Baggers.  The tackle that injured his shoulder was a ripper!

Like Pickett (below), he needs to be more involved in the game,

Like to see Pickett be a whisker more selfish if that's the right word. The run down the wing was blistering, just trying to pass to a bloke when so close to goal was not the best choice - should have just nailed it, or passed off sooner.

Yes, if you’re going to go for a run, you have to have a shot or dish off early. 

Pickett’s confidence in his ability to burn off the opposition is a good sign.  I’d like to see him be more involved in the game.

Gee Kennedy did some great, unnoticed, work.

Yes, I think I was anticipating more of a finishing role but Kennedy is a genuine hard nut and his attack on the footy - and anyone who gets between him and the footy - will make a huge difference.  As I said previously, Murphy will be a beneficiary, but I think that Ed Curnow’s workload will be lightened too.

[LP]

Big kid, picking on smaller kids. AFL level is a different kettle of fish.

That's not reality.

Weitering wasn't even as tall as his CHF opponent in the AGS game he kicked 6, and in the MPFNL game he and Kieran Collins were against some very serious opponents even if the majority of the opposition team was ordinary.

btw., It's no accident we took Weitering at No.1, given he played several times in front of SOS(SOS at GWS and Carlton) and Brendan Bolton(Still at Hawthorn at the time), SOS had all the exposure he needed to make the decision and I doubt Bolton needed encouragement!

[DJC]

Daisy was brilliant early.

He did some questionable things later, but....

Eddie Maguire spoke on triple m this morning about the lights at Ikon Park. He said they were terrible in our game, and terrible in his game. He said he spoke to a senior player who played in our game (didn't say which team) about the lights and unnamed player said it was very bad. A couple of times "players came out of nowhere" and you couldn't see the pick up the ball well enough to judge it sometimes.

Which senior player do you reckon Eddie Maguire just happened to have a chat too? My money is on Daisy as i'd doubt he'd have the number of many others...and truth be told, we don't even have many senior players on our list....nor the saints.

So....perhaps some of the silly things that Daisy and the others did on the night (and Curnofides springs to mind as well) were because players came out of the shadows and surprised them.

Either way, he suggested that the ground is unsafe for night footy, and at least partly that is because of the local residents, and something needs to be done because its a health and safety risk.

Might also explain Dow losing his teeth.

I don’t think so.

Dow lost his tooth because his mouth guard was in his sock.

Reverse torpedoes off the outside of the boot aren’t the most obvious way to compensate for poor lighting  :

Other players coped OK and our disposal efficiency was generally very good.