JLT 2018: Carlton vs St Kilda at Ikon on Wednesday

[flyboy77]

One negative from last night was a few things that Curnow done.
I there was a checkside kick into 50 that stupid little dribble on the ground instead of the handball to Harry Mac (I think) on the wing and getting caught a couple times thinking he will just burst through tackles.

He will get much better, but there was just a bit of Stevie J lairising that used to annoy me with Stevie J. He just needs to stick to doing what he does best Charlie. The taking people on and getting caught is fine, he needs to get better at busting out of tackles, but the stupid dinky kicks... Just stop them now.

I hope Bolts highlights to him how stupid those pieces of play were and why there is no place for them when there are better options

Yeah, it must be hard for the kid to net get caught up - to some degree - in all the hype the press put out on him...

Pretty hsppy that his input/output was negligible and we still won comfortably.

[flyboy77]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/i-th...4z28j.html

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The great man refused entry last night by an over-zealous gate attendant!

Oh dear.

I love this!

"I mean, there's good news and bad news from that. The bad news was I was embarrassed. The good news was that young bloke's got a new employment opportunity elsewhere in the community," he joked.

[Gointocarlton]

I love this!

I was supposed to be on the same table at the pre game function as the great man but had to cancel due to work commitments. Would have been a good laugh.

[LoveNavy]

Yes, Weitering is pure talent and will play when available, even if he goes forward (which I'm not really a fan of) or plays a swingman type role.

On Weiters fwd v back: Bolts said on radio he played fwd out of team needs, not coaches preference. IMO he'll play back and planfully develop swingman role. That said, where do Rowe and Willo come in this year? Willo may play further up the ground. Very healthy competition for spots in our backline. Whoever is selected will vary with match ups. One thing's for sure we'll see every player reach their potential. 

Go Blues.

[Bear]

Cr@p!!
He didn't play because of an injury. Nothing to do with team balance.
Traded ??? Don't hold your breath, it won't happen.
Mental issues  ??  Please explain.

I’m as incredulous as you are... and should have indicated as such.

[flyboy77]

I thought the Plow was moving very well last night too...

I understand the guy was a really good mover as a kid but has appeared hampered in recent seasons.

Doc aside, gotta love the core of Plow, Marchy, Weiters and Jones - the equal of any in the league and with so much upside!

Mullett - meh - will have to prove himself in the 2s.

Lamb too found the ball a lot but seemed to be dishing off a pass before he'd taken possession himself!

With only 22 allowed in the regular season (why don't they allow a bigger bench), hard to see either of these two getting a regular gig.

Lamb isn't going to play ahead of Murphy, Wright, Pickett, Garlett, Fisher, SoJ or (even say) O'Brien.

Mullet is clearly behind Byrne, Willo and O'Shea for that matter.

[Bear]

Looked like Marchbank might be the one who we look to have in the Docherty role... might be worth a look in your SuperCoach team.

[LP]

When I saw Weeters in 2016, I thought he will become the best player on our list - better than Cripps, better than anyone. He made everything look effortless, almost easy. When I saw him in 2017, I could hardly believe it was the same player.

And yet statistically he was barely different from 2016 to 2017.

He's a tall, and like any other tall he'll take a good 3 or 4 years to find his feet.

Which by the way highlights how good Cripps is as a midfielder, he seems to have sidestepped the 6'5" type development curve.

[mateinone]

Yes, no doubt there's a healthy dose of presumptuousness and speculation on my part, which is one reason out of many why this forum exists, and for which I make no apologies. Whilst it's true that I can't prove anything, it's also true that no one can prove the opposite.

But the onus is on you Paul as you are accusing the club of risking him being further injured and it was dumb of them to play him.
That would be like saying "Fred stole something" and then asking Fred to prove he didn't steal it, rather than having to prove he did.

I agree the forums are here for as wild as speculation as people want, but also for others to question if there is any real basis for that speculation.
So not having a go at you, just disagreeing with your assumption, which in this instance appears to be

Weiters was injured, he had a poor season, so the club managed him badly.
My assertion is that I don't see anything with the way the club manages it's players to suggest it would in fact risk Weiters unnecessarily.

Oh I don't think you are negative about Weitering at all. As you can probably tell neither am I. I just am pretty well behind the way the club is managing things (finally, after years and years of shit) and hence my response to speculation we are mismanaging players.

[mateinone]

And yet statistically he was barely different from 2016 to 2017.

In a post I done a couple of months ago and based purely on last seasons form I had him only slight below Marchank and Plowman for the season and I had him ahead of all the other Under 21 players except Curnow and Marchbank. I rated him a 69 on the season with Plowman a 72 and Marchbank a 73.

For a 2nd year player, his season was still good and still better than a lot of our other players, including 3 of the Rising Star nominees (imo)