Leadership Group 2018

[Gointocarlton]

Carlton approach is to go with marquee player's as the captain.....I'd be real surprised if they went with a Joe average profile player like Curnow.
I dont have a problem with Curnow being captain and reckon he would do a good job but it would be a change in direction and marketing style IMO for it to happen.
Cripps and Murphy are the players whose images are used most often in advertising and I would have Cripps as favourite for next captain...

players vote the capt don’t they?

[kruddler]

players vote the capt don’t they?

Players vote for the captain/leadership group.....its up to the vote counters who gets it though.

[DJC]

Carlton approach is to go with marquee player's as the captain.....I'd be real surprised if they went with a Joe average profile player like Curnow.
I dont have a problem with Curnow being captain and reckon he would do a good job but it would be a change in direction and marketing style IMO for it to happen.
Cripps and Murphy are the players whose images are used most often in advertising and I would have Cripps as favourite for next captain...

I don't think that's right EB.  The captain, vice-captain(s) and leadership group are determined by the players' vote and the coaches' vote and I don't think marquee status comes into it.

As I said in an earlier post, I think that our next captain may be a bit of a surprise but it won't be this season.

[Gointocarlton]

I don't think that's right EB.  The captain, vice-captain(s) and leadership group are determined by the players' vote and the coaches' vote and I don't think marquee status comes into it.

As I said in an earlier post, I think that our next captain may be a bit of a surprise but it won't be this season.

thats how I read it

[ElwoodBlues1]

I don't think that's right EB.  The captain, vice-captain(s) and leadership group are determined by the players' vote and the coaches' vote and I don't think marquee status comes into it.

As I said in an earlier post, I think that our next captain may be a bit of a surprise but it won't be this season.

I'll agree to disagree DJ.....IMO the next captain will be out of our two best players which are Docherty and Cripps, along with Murphy they are the two most marketed players and
who the club hierarchy would want as skipper....IMO.

From Big Nick, Jezza, through to Fitzpatrick, Sticks, Kouta, Judd its been a big name player who gets the job for any decent period of time.......

Even at Hawthorn where Bolton learned his trade it was Mitchell briefly before handing over to another big name in Hodge, Richie Vandenberg filled in for 2-3 years when another star in Crawford retired but he was clearly a fill in and handpicked by Clarkson. I'd be very surprised if Bolton doesnt have a large say in who gets the job...
I just cant see us with a Nick Maxwell, Tom Harley..a Mr Average player type who is a factional/club neutral player with some media nous...
If we did go that way it would be a short term appointment only IMO until one of the more prominent players was ready....

[DJC]

I'll agree to disagree DJ.....IMO the next captain will be out of our two best players which are Docherty and Cripps, along with Murphy they are the two most marketed players and
who the club hierarchy would want as skipper....IMO.

From Big Nick, Jezza, through to Fitzpatrick, Sticks, Kouta, Judd its been a big name player who gets the job for any decent period of time.......

Even at Hawthorn where Bolton learned his trade it was Mitchell briefly before handing over to another big name in Hodge, Richie Vandenberg filled in for 2-3 years when another star in Crawford retired but he was clearly a fill in and handpicked by Clarkson. I'd be very surprised if Bolton doesnt have a large say in who gets the job...
I just cant see us with a Nick Maxwell, Tom Harley..a Mr Average player type who is a factional/club neutral player with some media nous...
If we did go that way it would be a short term appointment only IMO until one of the more prominent players was ready....

It may well be Cripps or Docherty EB, but not because they are our most marketable players.

Bolton and Anthony Klarica have made big changes to our leadership program and they may have unearthed several blokes with the attributes to be good leaders over the next few seasons. 

I suspect that we have seen the last of the long term captains and we will now see the best skipper appointed each season.

I may be completely off track with this, but I'm pretty sure that Bolton has applied the same rigour to the captaincy as he has to other aspects of our footy department.

[mateinone]

I don't actually think players are best placed to understand what a great leader is. The club need to identify and as in most fields it is likely often not going to be the best player.
It is going to be the person prepared to sacrifice for the team, the player prepared to be unpopular with peers if there is a need to be unpopular and pull people into line.
A PERFECT example to me of a really great captain was Roy Keane at Manchester United. Now he was a prick of a bloke, but he would not for one second hesitate in settings his demands even with the marquee players at the club and they wouldn't dare fall out of line.
Rio Ferdinand once told how at training he passed the ball back to Gary Neville a teammate in the training drill when Roy Keane had a go and informed him he was at Manchester United now, not Leeds or West Ham and expectations were different. Now Rio Ferdinand had just signed on as the most expensive transfer for a defender in the world at that stage, but that didn't stop Keane letting him know if he wasn't meeting expectations.

Now you don't need to be a prick at all to be a good leader, in fact once you have the trust of the team that you are pulling them up for the good of the team, you can have them back a player to the hilts, but you must always be ready to support the wins, but every bit as importantly.. call out the failures.

From the outside I think Curnow would do that.. I for sure think Doc would do that.
I am not 100% sure Murphy does that.. He might.. I am not in there, but I am not 100% sure he does.

[Gointocarlton]

From Big Nick, Jezza, through to Fitzpatrick, Sticks, Kouta, Judd its been a big name player who gets the job for any decent period of time.......

Fair names their, they were all "big name players" for a reason, that being they were all f----- good.

[cookie2]

AFAIC great leaders excel at following a strong plan/formula and leading players along that same path. That is what was behind the success of the Hawks imo and probably the Tigers and Dogs successes more recently. The Hawks were the most obvious example in recent years and you could watch Hodge directing the troops, with the likes of Mitchell and Lewis backing him up. The ability to stay focused on that plan/formula is the first essential and to drum that into every player on the ground. I'm sure this will be what BB will be seeking and it's going to be interesting to see this year.

[DJC]

I don't actually think players are best placed to understand what a great leader is. The club need to identify and as in most fields it is likely often not going to be the best player.
It is going to be the person prepared to sacrifice for the team, the player prepared to be unpopular with peers if there is a need to be unpopular and pull people into line.
A PERFECT example to me of a really great captain was Roy Keane at Manchester United. Now he was a prick of a bloke, but he would not for one second hesitate in settings his demands even with the marquee players at the club and they wouldn't dare fall out of line.
Rio Ferdinand once told how at training he passed the ball back to Gary Neville a teammate in the training drill when Roy Keane had a go and informed him he was at Manchester United now, not Leeds or West Ham and expectations were different. Now Rio Ferdinand had just signed on as the most expensive transfer for a defender in the world at that stage, but that didn't stop Keane letting him know if he wasn't meeting expectations.

Now you don't need to be a prick at all to be a good leader, in fact once you have the trust of the team that you are pulling them up for the good of the team, you can have them back a player to the hilts, but you must always be ready to support the wins, but every bit as importantly.. call out the failures.

From the outside I think Curnow would do that.. I for sure think Doc would do that.
I am not 100% sure Murphy does that.. He might.. I am not in there, but I am not 100% sure he does.

I suspect that they are slightly better placed than we are 

I was interested in the following sentence from the Bri Davey captaincy announcement:

After undertaking an extensive process involving coaches, players and key leaders at the Club, the new-look three-player leadership group has been established in the second AFLW pre-season campaign.

From what I have seen/read, the men's team will go through a similar process this year, as they have done each year since Bolton's arrival.  I suspect it's a little more involved than "Put your hands up if you want Murph for captain".

Leadership was one area where we seemed to be sadly lacking.  It looks like we have turned that around but there's still a way to go.