Rnd 1 Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game

[flyboy77]

Sure, whatever.

Meaning you agree LP?

Or that FB, you're a tw#t? 

[flyboy77]

Head to Head
Thursday 22/03/2018
19:25 Richmond v Carlton Markets (3)
Richmond 1.20 Carlton 4.60

[LP]

Or that FB, you're a tw#t? 

I'll wear that badge proudly like everyone who disagrees with you!

[ElwoodBlues1]

One of our problems is our poor manning up and refusal to acknowledge other teams no name playmakers....eg.a player like Kane Lambert isnt some bonehead dud but we just let him run around unattended and he hurt us badly in 2017, Grigg is another player we love to pot but he continues to rack up the possies against us, its bad enough we cant control Martin, keep kicking the ball blindly to Rance etc but unless we can show some better control of their lesser names we will be in trouble again.
Bolton has to do more than just stick more players in the back half, the other annoying feature I find is how teams play a quicker ball carrying type as Cripps opponent and how we accept his man running wild as Cripps cant defend that type of player, sure Cripps wins his share at the coalface but that loose opponent of his is often open down forward or the bloke pumping the ball in there.
There seems significant more attention to detail with other teams working out our players than we put into other teams IMO.......

[PaulP]

Of course, one needs to "know how to use it". Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious 

Rance to rag doll Harry. BS.

Rance likes to be unaccountable and play the run off role.....seldom is he made accountable one on one....

In any event, he's the likely match up for Charlie, leaving them one short for Levi and Harry.

They are really short on other tall defender types - Chol?

Let's look at their list - who would I like at Carlton - outside Martin, Cotchin, Riewoldt (maybe when yuonger), Prestia (?), Caddy?, Rance (sure)

Houli had a great 2017 and GF, for sure but there's a lot of average stuff in that list....

2017 Richmond Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank Name Games Average
1 Dustin Martin 25 29.76
2 Bachar Houli 21 23.62
3 Trent Cotchin 25 23.60
4 Dion Prestia 22 23.23
5 Shaun Grigg 25 23.08
6 Brandon Ellis 25 22.28
7 Kane Lambert 24 21.46
8 Anthony Miles 5 19.40
9 Reece Conca 6 18.00
10 Shane Edwards 20 17.65
11 Josh Caddy 22 17.27
12 Alex Rance 25 16.00
13 Nick Vlastuin 16 15.50
14 David Astbury 25 15.00
15 Kamdyn Mcintosh 24 14.92
16 Toby Nankervis 24 14.79
17 Jayden Short 16 14.75
18 Nathan Broad 10 14.00
18 Jack Graham 5 14.00
20 Sam Lloyd 8 13.62
21 Jack Riewoldt 23 13.26

The Tigers are a very good example of the dangers of focusing on individuals rather than the collective. They are a very good team, and they play as a genuine collective. Focusing on how many A graders, B graders etc. they have is not really the issue.

They finished 3rd last year, then went on to win the flag by 8 goals, against a team many regarded as warm favourites. They've come out and smacked an underdone Bombers team by nearly 15 goals in a ps hit out.

We finished 16th, had another big turnover of players, with plenty of focus on youth. If we play plenty of kids, and the Tigers apply that manic pressure, those kids will be shell shocked.

Your allegiance to the Navy Blue cause and the new regime is admirable, but I think we're still miles away from competing with the Tigers and their ilk.

[flyboy77]

Having more legitimate marking targets up forward has to help (if we can move the quickly).

Levi, Harry, Charlie, SoJ, Garlett and even Crippa in spurts....

Should keep the opposition guessing and not allow Rance to roam where ho chooses.....

[flyboy77]

I think the problem with the Crows in the GF was that they thought they were hot favourites - and consequently didn't turn up.

But yes, kudos to Richmond - they get a lot out of a rather motley crew.

[LP]

There seems significant more attention to detail with other teams working out our players than we put into other teams IMO.......

Yes I agree, we do seem to be lacking in the opposition analysis department. But I think part of the problem is our medium sized players are generally too slow. Last season guys like E. Curnow, Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Plowman, White, Smedts, Graham, Gibbs, etc., just couldn't keep up with the oppositions breakaway players.

Add to that, we let defenders run off guys like Wright, Thomas and Silvagni while bombing the ball predictably to either Casboult or Kreuzer instead of looking for the loose players. We can have all the talls we like, but if we fail to make use of those in the open we won't win many games.

[PaulP]

Yes I agree, we do seem to be lacking in the opposition analysis department. But I think part of the problem is our medium sized players are generally too slow. Last season guys like E. Curnow, Kerridge, Lamb, Thomas, Plowman, White, Smedts, Graham, Gibbs, etc., just couldn't keep up with the oppositions breakaway players.

Add to that, we let defenders run off guys like Wright, Thomas and Silvagni while bombing the ball predictably to either Casboult or Kreuzer instead of looking for the loose players. We can have all the talls we like, but if we fail to make use of those in the open we won't win many games.

Hopefully the new guys like Pickett and Garlett will help in this regard. But we are generally a slow team. You need exceptional talent like a Sam Mitchell type to offset a lack of speed. And the game seems to be getting faster.

[LP]

I think the problem with the Crows in the GF was that they thought they were not favourites - and consequently didn't turn up.

But yes, kudos to Richmond - they get a lot out of a rather motley crew.

Walker and Jenkins were rubbish, those vertically challenged spud Nthmond defenders you refer to made them their bitches, which dealt players like Betts out of the game!