2018 - What do you expect from the club?

[kruddler]

I prefer my excuse
We were probably big favourites but...
If we were going to tank a game it wouldn't be wise to do it two weeks in a row and at a time when you were missing your two best players.
I remember Lockett had a bit of a day out in the Sydney game.

Why not? Seems the perfect time to do it.

Odds would've been too short to do it a 3rd week...

[Lods]

There was certainly talk about it ...from opposition supporters.
Stuff up or conspiracy theory.., go for the stuff up!
I'd prefer to think we didn't come ready to play...until I hear it from a Carlton player of the time.

[kruddler]

There was certainly talk about it ...from opposition supporters.

For some reason i reckon i read it in a book.....by a carlton player....or maybe Big Jack.

[Lods]

For some reason i reckon i read it in a book.....by a carlton player....or maybe Big Jack.

See if you can track it down...but I wouldn't pay much attention to Elliott.
Engineering a result like that would take a whole heap of involvement across the team.

(It's not like they were short a quid )

[Thryleon]

See if you can track it down...but I wouldn't pay much attention to Elliott.
Engineering a result like that would take a whole heap of involvement across the team.

Not as much as you think.

A big night out on the town with a free feed and some drink cards could do the trick when paired with the absence of sticks and diesel.

[Lods]

If that's the case....
We'd want to hope it's not true or never proven.
There's a precedent for stripping awards when dodgy stuff goes down.

[Gointocarlton]

Yeah, i think some carlton players made a lot of money those weeks.

At the time, I worked for a bloke who was mates with a player. Lets just say a few them bought a fair bit of expensive hi fi gear the following week.

[bmaurizio]

I expect we'll win 6 or 8 games .  Losing Gibbs will hurt short term.
Hopefully we're able to score a little more our low potency in front of goals is a real concern.
We'll play some exciting footy no doubt, there's  plenty of young talent to drool over as we develop.
The 2018 will help us plenty,  so much talent available the top 10 are very good and next 10 good too.
Go Baggers

[flyboy77]

I expect we'll win 6 or 8 games .  Losing Gibbs will hurt short term.
Hopefully we're able to score a little more our low potency in front of goals is a real concern.
We'll play some exciting footy no doubt, there's  plenty of young talent to drool over as we develop.
The 2018 will help us plenty,  so much talent available the top 10 are very good and next 10 good too.
Go Baggers

Our potency presently is not about our forwards. It is about four things:

1. our (coach directed) defensive mindset
2. our (relatively) weak midfield
3. the quality of delivery into inside 50
4. the absolute number of inside 50s.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats

are there any stats anywhere that look at the quality of ball movement into F50?

[LP]

Our potency presently is not about our forwards. It is about four things:

1. our (coach directed) defensive mindset
2. our (relatively) weak midfield
3. the quality of delivery into inside 50
4. the absolute number of inside 50s.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats

are there any stats anywhere that look at the quality of ball movement into F50?

What is a correlation and what is a cause?

Do we get less marks inside F50 because we enter F50 less or with less depth and quality, or do we enter F50 less because we have no effective forwards?

I think a major problem is Casboult's heat map, even when he's playing well far too many of his contested marks come well outside F50 between the HFF and the HBF. This leaves him outside range, and slowing play. So is this because of Casboult, the coaches or because of the in play decisions further up the field?

During the year the media punished Carlton for it's slow uncontested possession game style defensive side of centre, that game style implies high possession counts but we ranked last for disposals in 2017, and 4th last for disposal efficiency. If we have a high D50 possession count with uncontested ball, then we must have a very low midfield or F50 possession count with a lot of disputed possessions! That tells us something about or game forward of centre.

A slow defensive build up won't help forwards, but again is the slow build up the cause or the effect of poor forward structures and patterns.